Caguairan and White Oak

[Knallkorp]

@adminSo looking at the woodtypes i think togheter with others that white oak is king and live oak comes next to it on a portbattle ship. Caguairan however is decent but not as good as white oak and live oak. This in my opinion makes a imbalanced situation between the southern nations and the northen. So my suggestion is give Caguairan armor HP instead of structure HP to make it compete with live oak and make white oak give structure HP instead, its already the best planking.

 

[Bubba Smith]

I'm going to try W-Oak with W-oak planking next. I think it will make a good difference. 

Thought you may be interested in this>

 

http://104.193.237.30/na/index.php?page=crafting&idx=1

 

 

 

Edited June 9, 2017 by Buba Smith

[Knallkorp]

29 minutes ago, Buba Smith said:

I'm going to try W-Oak with W-oak planking next. I think it will make a good difference. 

Thought you may be interested in this>

 

http://104.193.237.30/na/index.php?page=crafting&idx=1

 

 

 

Thanks for the link.
WO/WO seems to be the strongest in my opinion followed by LO/WO. Compare Caguarian to WO frames, WO has 18% armor hp and 9% thickness, Caguarian has 6% armor hp, 11,5% thickness and get 1,5% less speed. Structure HP 5% more tho but as soon as your armor is gone u loose crew and u have no thickness to bounce shots. The point i want to make is that nations in south in the end is gonna have Caguarian Sabicu ships if you dont look that people will have alts or trade with other nation or maybe cap a region far away from home waters. When people north of the map will have either WO/WO or LO/WO ships. Both looks stronger then Caguarian and sabicu so i want a balance around WO and Caguairan. 

[ironhammer500]

40 minutes ago, Buba Smith said:

I'm going to try W-Oak with W-oak planking next. I think it will make a good difference. 

Thought you may be interested in this>

 

http://104.193.237.30/na/index.php?page=crafting&idx=1

 

 

 

We worked it out on a L'Ocean build, sure while you don't lose as much speed as a Live oak, the White oak doesn't gain as much HP as you think to justify the wood type imo.

For pvp id assume speed is king, for PvE seems thickness is still king, so WO is kinda not that good the LO doesnt give as much hp but its a small difference something like 2k hp which imo is not a lot extra.

[Knallkorp]

10 hours ago, Hodo said:

I hate to say this but Caguairan and White Oak will be faster, turn better and more fire resistant than Live Oak + White Oak. Not to mention 5% MORE structure and .5% more armor HP with only a 3.5% loss in thickness, which isnt much.  

To give you the math of it...

A Indefatigable 

Thickness- LO/WO = 74.75   VS CA/WO=72.475  

Armor HP - LO/WO= 5981.85 VS CA/WO =6010.2

Structure HP- LO/WO= 2976.75 VS CA/WO= 3118.5

So good money says all other things considered equal the CA/WO will be on par if not slightly better in the current PB setups because of its speed and handling.  BUT wont make a whole bit of a difference between the two woods.

The bigger the ship the bigger the diffrence will be. Do some math between between WO/WO and CA/WO and throw in the value of a repair kit. 

[Slamz]

I do think devs need to put more weight on a structural boost. Like if Cag was +20% structure maybe that would be something?

As someone else said, once your armor is gone, that structure isn't worth much anyway. Nothing will bounce. Gonna need to be a BIG boost to structure to make that worth as much as as a much smaller boost to thickness, I'd think.

[Knallkorp]

20 hours ago, Hodo said:

White Oak/ White Oak would be a bad combo to start with.  Because White Oak is lighter than both Caguairan and Live Oak.  

It gives you 15% armor hp. You wont bounce as much as you would with Live Oak or Caguairan but thats no problem people have double charge to go through the thickness. Thickness also gets less and less the more dmg u have taken. White Oak will make u be able to take more broadside if u make everything pen with both woods (their are ways to get through the thickness), more value of your repair and more speed maneuverability. White oak has 2,5% less thickness then Caguairan but 12% more armor HP and 6% less then Liveoak but 12,5% more armor HP and structure is irrelevant you can take shots from every angle and they will pen and you loose alot of crew when it they start to hit the structure.

3 hours ago, Slamz said:

I do think devs need to put more weight on a structural boost. Like if Cag was +20% structure maybe that would be something?

As someone else said, once your armor is gone, that structure isn't worth much anyway. Nothing will bounce. Gonna need to be a BIG boost to structure to make that worth as much as as a much smaller boost to thickness, I'd think.

I would like them to change so White oak give structure HP and Cag Armor HP. Not 15% armor HP for the cag that is to much but 10% and 5% to structure.