SquidTorgar Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 For what its worth Ill put my 10p into the discussion. There are many things I love about the new patch. 1 Dura ships, the fact the wipe happened, many of the economy changes, there's a lot to be happy about, and a few days in the economy is starting to normalise. I've done both PVP and PVE as a part of a clan and solo in the past, so like many here have seen both sides of the NA coin. Whilst I think the removal of higher end (well anything but starter) missions has some merit, it's a step too far. It does penalise the more casual player whilst reward the groups that tend to dominate anyway. Players for whatever reason dont want to commit to organising groups of Pugs or join an existing group are left at a disadvantage. Apart from that, the actual missions as they stand are rather uninspired too. My solution would be to put in the solo missions but change the parameters a little. Make missions so you are hunting for a specific ship. Tie that ships location to a fuzzy area on the map. Make the distance to that location increase with the rank of the mission On successful completion of the mission you receive a further mission directing you to another location, target or task. This could even be some form of delivery, wreck, or PVE based. This way you still get people traversing the map, they are still out there as PVP targets and most likely to be successful have to defend themselves. Obviously working with others will increase the chance of success. But let's not be under any allusions. From a gameplay point of view the solo missions were and are pretty dull and uninspiring and a lot more could be done to improve the situation.
Daguse Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Hodo said: Funny thing is you dont need a Surprise to hunt LGVs, you can do it in a Snow or Brig. You just have to work a bit more. Work? WTF Hodo, why would I want to work for my coin/advancement. The devs should damn well give it to me. 2
ironhammer500 Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 43 minutes ago, Daguse said: Work? WTF Hodo, why would I want to work for my coin/advancement. The devs should damn well give it to me. Well you needed to work before, now you need to do even more work as they have powerfull 5th rate escorts the Surprise will not last against an Endymion.
Daguse Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 Just now, ironhammer500 said: Well you needed to work before, now you need to do even more work as they have powerfull 5th rate escorts the Surprise will not last against an Endymion. They also increased the loot. So if thats to much go after a t-Brig or t-Snow. Sorry but pre patch I could sell Tabacco/Sugar for a literal shit ton of money, meant everyone had hundreds of millions of coin... a bit to much. 1
ironhammer500 Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, Daguse said: They also increased the loot. So if thats to much go after a t-Brig or t-Snow. Sorry but pre patch I could sell Tabacco/Sugar for a literal shit ton of money, meant everyone had hundreds of millions of coin... a bit to much. People all ready have millions from trade alone, Crafting has started only just and people are charging a lot of money for crafted ships, so it wont be long again before people have 100s millions
Daguse Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, ironhammer500 said: People all ready have millions from trade alone, Crafting has started only just and people are charging a lot of money for crafted ships, so it wont be long again before people have 100s millions Yep... That is why I don't see any issue with the updates. Some people just don't like to have to start over so they have to bitch. Edited June 1, 2017 by Daguse 1
ironhammer500 Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Daguse said: Yep... That is why I don't see any issue with the updates. Some people just don't like to have to start over so they have to bitch. Problem is this patch allows a few people to have millions and own everything so they will be able to control the prices of the eco, large clans also will have so much resources compared to small clans or newbies...they will run the server.
Daguse Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, ironhammer500 said: Problem is this patch allows a few people to have millions and own everything so they will be able to control the prices of the eco, large clans also will have so much resources compared to small clans or newbies...they will run the server. WHAT? free market? Whatt? I agree its an issue, however thats where nations need to work together to help out the smaller clans. with a bit of dedication, even the smallest clans can be building SOL. Hell even one person alone can do it.
ironhammer500 Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Daguse said: WHAT? free market? Whatt? I agree its an issue, however thats where nations need to work together to help out the smaller clans. with a bit of dedication, even the smallest clans can be building SOL. Hell even one person alone can do it. Have you ever played Eve online? That game has taught me Human beings only look after them self first, family 2nd and friends 3rd, other people meh why bother? SO the whole work as a nation thing will not work as people do not care. Greed drives people. Edited June 1, 2017 by ironhammer500
Daguse Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, ironhammer500 said: Have you ever played Eve online? That game has taught me Human beings only look after them self first, family 2nd and friends 3rd, other people meh why bother? SO the whole work as a nation thing will not work as people do not care. Greed drives people. No never got past the first few hours of letting your player sit there while training. However I get that but when you need the others to be strong so you can success, then you build them up. I don't know what nation/server you have been on, but the US has done it. On the old PVP 1 server, the US worked very closely with each other to ensure we all had the best ships for PBs. When the first US guy got a heavy rattler, he openly built them for anyone that needed it, same thing for the Agy. Never the less, I have faith that if someone puts their mind to it they can still craft any ship they want, SOL or heavy trader. Just takes time.
ironhammer500 Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 Just now, Hodo said: That is because no one is hunting them yet. At least not in mass. On PVE server we are hunting ships so much to the point almost 10 of our clan now have a 3rd rates so at least on PvE we are doing as the devs wanted, but tbh id like Missions back as they were more fun then sailing for hours then battle for 30mins, sailing for more hours and so on.
Hethwill, the Red Duke Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 On PvE server for sure. I do recall Admin saying quest chains being worked on and additional mission types, so while we all love the game and we would wish it could all be done as fast as we want we must go through this new testing phase and expect more to come.
Daguse Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, ironhammer500 said: On PVE server we are hunting ships so much to the point almost 10 of our clan now have a 3rd rates so at least on PvE we are doing as the devs wanted, but tbh id like Missions back as they were more fun then sailing for hours then battle for 30mins, sailing for more hours and so on. Ok so that changes EVERYTHING! Didn't know you where talking about PVE... PVE has to handled differently, there is not one there to stop the trade routs.
ironhammer500 Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Red Duke said: On PvE server for sure. I do recall Admin saying quest chains being worked on and additional mission types, so while we all love the game and we would wish it could all be done as fast as we want we must go through this new testing phase and expect more to come. I dont get why missions were removed then for pve if they are adding content.
Hethwill, the Red Duke Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 Just now, ironhammer500 said: I dont get why missions were removed then for pve if they are adding content. My best guess is that at the stage when all server got wiped, and due to accounts having their redeemable stuff and so on they kept a flat build across. It is logical due to previous state of account characters synchronization, which now is non existent anymore. For sure I expect PvE and PvP servers to evolve separately. Might be wishful thinking but it is logical to happen so, PvP servers for sure does use a lot of PvE content.
Daguse Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, ironhammer500 said: I dont get why missions were removed then for pve if they are adding content. I agree with what @The Red Duke said. My hope is they would bring back higher level missions for the PVE server. However I don't know how they coded it, they may not be able to.
ironhammer500 Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Daguse said: I agree with what @The Red Duke said. My hope is they would bring back higher level missions for the PVE server. However I don't know how they coded it, they may not be able to. Simple on or off in the code, take maybe 5 mins tops to fix, maybe another hour to test in game BR matching so u dont get stupid 2 vs 1 all the time.
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