Why were the servers not fully wiped?

[Christendom]

Feedback I'm seeing on the discords indicates that neither server was completely wiped, characters and more importantly clans, still exist on both servers as they were before.  This seems a bit unfair.  Any player that was previously on PVP EU 1 and is now forced off due to the PB timer lockouts and now has to play on PVP Global (aka US based players) now have to start over and create all new clans.  Vice versa for the players on PVP Global that would prefer to play on EU.  

To quote @admin

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To avoid framing issues we can propose the following solution. Which will address the framing and show that US players are wrong about being forced out.

1. We will create a new EU server with EU timezones. We will transfer all (willing) EU players to that server. 
2. We will rename PvP One EU into PvP Global (merging it with PVP USA)
3. EU players will leave to EU server if they wish (but i guarantee the majority will leave).

So both servers weren't totally wiped.  No new EU server was created.  US based players who want to do RVR are now forced off PVP EU 1 (PVP EU) and have to restart on Global.  So it seems we were correct and US players were forced off.  Each server was just simply renamed, seems lazy.

The least that could be done was to completely wipe both servers and have EVERYONE start off fresh.  Why wasn't this done?

Edited May 24, 2017 by Christendom

[JollyRoger1516]

Lovin the fact that Ping might actually force me onto the EU server as the global server does not actually cater to a global communtiy. That will not happen as I can't cater to such time restrictions yet playing with a minimum of 200 ping won't do either.

[Christendom]

1 minute ago, JollyRoger1516 said:

Lovin the fact that Ping might actually force me onto the EU server as the global server does not actually cater to a global communtiy. That will not happen as I can't cater to such time restrictions yet playing with a minimum of 200 ping won't do either.

right.  I thought they were going to assess locations for the new global server to help out with ping universally.  Instead PVP2 was just renamed global and devs said "meh".

[JollyRoger1516]

Considering we waited for 2months and there was therefore ample time to either prepare the server better or provide a new one for global to actually allow a global community - yeah this is at best lazy development - I'd rather call it shoddy and ill prepared.

I have no intention of playing on a limited server just because my ping/the server location doesn't allow me access to decent gameplay.

[Ser_Slack]

4 minutes ago, Christendom said:

right.  I thought they were going to assess locations for the new global server to help out with ping universally.  Instead PVP2 was just renamed global and devs said "meh".

I'm confused wasn't that the plan? Pvp2 is now global it's located on the eastern seaboard of north America which is probably not the best (Western seaboard).

[Christendom]

5 minutes ago, Ser_Slack said:

I'm confused wasn't that the plan? Pvp2 is now global it's located on the eastern seaboard of north America which is probably not the best (Western seaboard).

I thought so.  The servers were simply just renamed.  Anyone that can't connect to global due to ping, but can't play within the port timers of EU is basically given a big FU from the devs.  So sloppy.  

Edited May 24, 2017 by Christendom

[DeRuyter]

@Christendom I was surprised to log on this morning and find the PVP2 character I created just for the xp sync on the Global server. I also thought that a wipe meant characters too like the EA wipe.

Maybe this was not done to get the patch out? I would hope at full release the server locations will be assessed as well.

 

Edited May 24, 2017 by DeRuyter

[Christendom]

3 minutes ago, DeRuyter said:

@Christendom I was surprised to log on this morning and find the PVP2 character I created just for the xp sync on the Global server. I also thought that a wipe meant characters too like the EA wipe.

Maybe this was not done to get the patch out? I would hope at full release the server locations will be assessed as well.

 

I guess.  Would of been nice to know this beforehand, I would of setup the clan and stuff prior so I didn't have to waste my first 100k grinding in cutters to set it up, meanwhile players who weren't forced off their server don't need to set it all up again.

Edited May 24, 2017 by Christendom

[Ser_Slack]

Either way we'll see how this goes. For me it's make or break after this wipe. If it's not handled right I'm putting it down for good. Certainly not trying to send signals to anyone but it's pretty much where I'm at and a few hardcore's I've talked to about it.

[Christendom]

5 minutes ago, Ser_Slack said:

Either way we'll see how this goes. For me it's make or break after this wipe. If it's not handled right I'm putting it down for good. Certainly not trying to send signals to anyone but it's pretty much where I'm at and a few hardcore's I've talked to about it.

In the grand scheme of things it's not a huge deal, but I know myself and others would prefer to have everyone treated equally on all servers.  If you're going to force folks off one server or another due to timers or ping the least you can do is make EVERYONE start off fresh.  Create new players and clans.  This seems shortsighted and further feeds into the belief shared by quiet a few that US players were getting kicked off EU 1 intentionally as punishment for night flipping (aka seeking content in their time zone).

Edited May 24, 2017 by Christendom

[_Masterviolin]

Bugs gentlemen, bugs. I am sure that there were issues in wiping, or perhaps they're in the process of wiping the servers. 

[admin]

44 minutes ago, Christendom said:

So both servers weren't totally wiped.  No new EU server was created.  US based players who want to do RVR are now forced off PVP EU 1 (PVP EU) and have to restart on Global.  So it seems we were correct and US players were forced off.  Each server was just simply renamed, seems lazy.

The least that could be done was to completely wipe both servers and have EVERYONE start off fresh.  Why wasn't this done?

Initial reaction to that PROPOSAL was negative, with some players trashing us for that proposal. Thus it was abandoned. 

On the 31st march there was an official announcement that provided everyone with the plan for action requesting everyone to do login to all servers to sync xp. Everyone who did those actions have everything ok on all servers. 

 

[admin]

48 minutes ago, Christendom said:

 more importantly clans, still exist on both servers as they were before.  

clans and names are sacred and we did not touch them. What is your clan name on EU?

[Christendom]

2 minutes ago, admin said:

Initial reaction to that PROPOSAL was negative, with some players trashing us for that proposal. Thus it was abandoned. 

On the 31st march there was an official announcement that provided everyone with the plan for action requesting everyone to do login to all servers to sync xp. Everyone who did those actions have everything ok on all servers. 

 

No where on that post does it say neither server will be fully wiped and existing characters and clans will remain.  This is just for XP sync.  All you have to do is sink 1 ship to sync.  

Really @admin?  

[admin]

Just now, Christendom said:

No where on that post does it say neither server will be fully wiped and existing characters and clans will remain.  This is just for XP sync.  All you have to do is sink 1 ship to sync.  

Really @admin?  

we always said it was an asset wipe. assets are not clans. 

[Christendom]

4 minutes ago, admin said:

clans and names are sacred and we did not touch them. What is your clan name on EU?

[VCO]Voodoo Shipping Company 

The point I'm trying to make is players like myself are now forced off PVP EU due to timers and have to start over on Global.  The least you could of done was make everyone start over fresh.  So we've just been kicked off our server that was our home for over a year and as a consolation prize we have to start over completely, unlike the players that get to remain.  

This could of been fixed simply with a redeemable of 100k or something like that.  

Edited May 24, 2017 by Christendom

[Aventador]

2 minutes ago, admin said:

clans and names are sacred and we did not touch them. What is your clan name on EU?

I get that but you didn't tell us. We would've went on pvp2 before hand and created our clan. A majority of people were expecting a full name and clan wipe. It's not a big deal in the long run but it would've been nice to know

[Christendom]

1 minute ago, Hodo said:

They said a long time ago, well two months ago, that the Global server was the US server, and EU server is the EU server. 

I am not sure where they would place a server to make everyone have an awesome ping.. I dont think that place exists yet.

Actually they said that PVP EU 1 would be merged with PVP 2 and turned into Global.  Location TBD.  A new server would be created and named EU.

From what I remember no deviation from this was made public

 

[Custard]

10 minutes ago, admin said:

we always said it was an asset wipe. assets are not clans. 

As it took assets to create the clan and it's warehouse on EU one and I want to play on the Global server because ppl I have been gaming with on and off for the best part of a decade are effectively excluded from playing on the EU server I respectfully disagree.

I echo Aventador's post.

[JollyRoger1516]

@Hodo, @admin

1) what christendom said.

2) if there was another announcement then that just brings us back to the earlier discussion of - please for the love of the entity whose existence I continue to doubt make a single announcement area so stuff doesn't constantly get lost in subforums/different language forums.

3) Iceland, the Azores, Bermuda - those places do exist and are very heavily used for servers that combine the EU and US population. Sadly that still leaves the AUS area behind but still not by much more then before (at least as far as I know).

Edited May 24, 2017 by JollyRoger1516

[admin]

14 minutes ago, Christendom said:

[VCO]Voodoo Shipping Company 

 

pvp 2 created 2016-02-14 21:20:54 - 28 мемберов. by jpjchris
pvp 1 created 2016-03-25 02:15:13 - 64 мембера. by jpjchris

clans on both servers were created by the same person

[Christendom]

Just now, admin said:

pvp 2 created 2016-02-14 21:20:54 - 28 мемберов. by jpjchris
pvp 1 created 2016-03-25 02:15:13 - 64 мембера. by jpjchris

clans on both servers were created by the same person

Yea he doesn't play anymore and hasn't been on PVP2 in over a year.  So does that mean we're shit out of luck?  

[Ned Low]

6 minutes ago, Christendom said:

Yea he doesn't play anymore and hasn't been on PVP2 in over a year.  So does that mean we're shit out of luck?  

You are not the only one, I have seen at least another report with same problem on a different clan. Leader left and they can't do anything about it. Devs please add 1 free Clan creation Ticket and wipe all clans before it's too late.  

Edited May 24, 2017 by Ned Low

[JollyRoger1516]

1 minute ago, Christendom said:

Yea he doesn't play anymore and hasn't been on PVP2 in over a year.  So does that mean we're shit out of luck?  

Guess you're gonna have to be VCSO/VSO from now on.

[Jefferson Davis]

So we are picking up right where we left off things are slanted to favor former Eastern Alliance clans they get to keep their clan names while everyone going to global has to grind to start over nice. Well at least things are consistent. Once again a thimble full of information from Devs before hand would have saved a pint of trouble. 

Clan names are only sacred if you are staying on the EU server the rest of us get to grind ?