Why don't pirates get pitty?

[TBD]

1 You go to pirate heavy area and get attacked. You were trying to gank a trader. Player outsmarted you by using AI fleet, get over it. What did you want him to do? Let you go? Let you gank him?  What is the point of your complaint?  Noone likes AI fleets but for some reason lots of players use them. AI fleets were requested by players in your Alliance btw. You did not pay attention to your surrounding and its pirates fault. Got it.  I am rarely in even fight. It is fine, gives me more satisfaction to fight against odds.

2 Sorry  to be obvious but I call BS  you  had 15 seconds to get back to port after tag, if you have not raised sails it takes 1. So you sailed out far enough and got attacked. And the problem was?

3 I play on all three servers. Pirate on PVP2,  Dane on PVP1 and GB on PVE.  Three servers, three different ROE. Three different faction politics. Three different clan politics.  Two different languages used. How about you? Tried any other? Which one do you like the most? Why?

4  Look up what options for spawning each nation has. Go visit Kidds, then you will understand why there are no newbs there (outside the fact that you are wrong about spawning there).

5 Come visit PVP1 its quiet there now, but try different nations while you can. Will be hard after wipe. Try opposing side, learn how to defeat the enemy by becoming one. I tried 3 different nations there before settling on Danes.

Its a game. If you are so upset and not happy, perhaps you should take a brake. I am taking one. Do not see the point now with wipe. 

Cheers

 

[TXSailor]

15 minutes ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

1 You go to pirate heavy area and get attacked. You were trying to gank a trader. Player outsmarted you by using AI fleet, get over it. What did you want him to do? Let you go? Let you gank him?  What is the point of your complaint?  Noone likes AI fleets but for some reason lots of players use them. AI fleets were requested by players in your Alliance btw. You did not pay attention to your surrounding and its pirates fault. Got it.  I am rarely in even fight. It is fine, gives me more satisfaction to fight against odds.

 

 

No one ganked him buttercup. No one even clicked on him to see him there, as we were grouping up to head elsewhere and he was INSIDE our ships when we spawned. 

 

Funny... I DO recognize your name from attacking baby traders off the East Coast though, so I guess I'm not surprised you're rushing in to pretend your pirate was defensive...

[Teutonic]

If you're in enemy territory, don't expect easy fights. People are out there to defend their land and their ships.

If your fellow nationals saw a lonely trader, they would also try and take it. whether it's a gank or no gank. This is just how the game works with players who work together and with players who tend to stick alone.

some days you find exactly what you're looking for, other days you find a lone player and you end up sinking him, and even more some days you find yourself outnumbered and outgunned. What's important is to take each experience and learn from them, see how an "inferior" ship such as the surprise can actually run circles around larger ships.

I think the main point I'm getting is both sides should stop yelling at each other about being cowards. In any normal situation a play that is outnumbers has every right to run, or at least get in a situation that gives him the advantage yeah? In the end, don't take it personally. Best thing you can do is ignore it and just get the best fights you're looking for, while dealing with the situations you don't like the best you can.

Running away is a legit tactic and don't let others get under your skin because of it. Everyone does it, everyone goes for the situation that gives them the advantage.

[TXSailor]

10 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

I think the main point I'm getting is both sides should stop yelling at each other about being cowards. In any normal situation a play that is outnumbers has every right to run, or at least get in a situation that gives him the advantage yeah? In the end, don't take it personally. Best thing you can do is ignore it and just get the best fights you're looking for, while dealing with the situations you don't like the best you can.

Running away is a legit tactic and don't let others get under your skin because of it. Everyone does it, everyone goes for the situation that gives them the advantage.

I certainly agree with you there.

[TBD]

Did you even read my reply? Does not look like it. Read it slower please.

If you have a legimtimate complaint its fine., but all I see is story about someone using a fleet to tag you. I am sure you were in La Tortue to get fresh air with your friends in fast frigates. Totally inocent gathering with no evil thought in sight. 

You  want to personally atack me, fine dont care, more fun for me. It is a reflection of who you are and how you deal with other gamers.

 At least be honest with it. When I hunt I hunt. If someone using fleet to escape, so be it, part of game mechanic. If someone using fleet to fight me, that is fairly easy to avoid in a fast ship vs SOL fleet and usually get the player if he makes a mistake or two. So what is a big deal?

Your mate thinks newbs spawn at Kidds, ok sure why not, goes with the rest of your story quite well.

Cheers

[TXSailor]

23 minutes ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

Did you even read my reply? Does not look like it. Read it slower please.

If you have a legimtimate complaint its fine., but all I see is story about someone using a fleet to tag you. I am sure you were in La Tortue to get fresh air with your friends in fast frigates. Totally inocent gathering with no evil thought in sight. 

You  want to personally atack me, fine dont care, more fun for me. It is a reflection of who you are and how you deal with other gamers.

 At least be honest with it. When I hunt I hunt. If someone using fleet to escape, so be it, part of game mechanic. If someone using fleet to fight me, that is fairly easy to avoid in a fast ship vs SOL fleet and usually get the player if he makes a mistake or two. So what is a big deal?

Your mate thinks newbs spawn at Kidds, ok sure why not, goes with the rest of your story quite well.

Cheers

I read your point quite clearly. You accused us of trying to gank him, playing it off as if he was the poor victim having to resort to a fleet to survive when it was quite the opposite, he was attacking people fresh out of port using a fleet to hide and throwing insults at us for being smarter than to take the bait. 

As to our purposes there, we were out hunting NPC groups as we have pushed you so far back that there isn't any other hunting ground near our shores. We very specifically do NOT attack your players who are outmatched. 

[Raekur]

53 minutes ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

Your mate thinks newbs spawn at Kidds, ok sure why not, goes with the rest of your story quite well.

My apologies, I have not created a pirate character and kidds seemed like a logical place to start. Mortimar and Marsh harbor are your starting locations...but why you have new players cruising around Mortimar is about as smart as new british players sailing around KPR

[TBD]

That is very noble of you,and I apllaud you, but what does it have to do with other players playing the game the way they want?

One porting nations eliminates players and posibility of PVP. You looking at the result of Mega Alliance dominance. But thats politics of the server. You cannot attack 80% of players and AI on the server, so you go look for it elsewhere, unfortunatelly Experinced players have no reason to be there now. 

My point was you were hunting there, hoping to get a good PVP, or sinking AI,  or getting fresh air,  all legitimate reasons, but from his point of view,  you were blockading La Tortue and assembling a gank squad. As I suggested in my earleir post, you might want to look at things from the other player perspective before passing judgement. Not once I said he was defensive. Pirates are not defensive by definition, you do not become pirate if you are not aggressive. 

In 3 weeks we get a new game. I am happy that you guys are still motivated to come out. That would be awesome 2-3 weeks ago, before the announcement.  Now, really no point if you maxed out.

 

Raekur,

they sail Mort because they are newb and do not know better. Thats where the game drops them, they assume its a good starting point. They have a romantic notion of being a Pirate, reality is it is the hardest faction to play. Seal clubbing occurs, we loose players. Pirates get pissed and return the favor. East coast raids and KPR blockades are retaliatory in nature. You guys of course do the same and round and round it goes. Most of this should get sorterd out on Global with no alliances.

Cheers

[Raekur]

20 minutes ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

they sail Mort because they are newb and do not know better. Thats where the game drops them, they assume its a good starting point. They have a romantic notion of being a Pirate, reality is it is the hardest faction to play. Seal clubbing occurs, we loose players. Pirates get pissed and return the favor. East coast raids and KPR blockades are retaliatory in nature. You guys of course do the same and round and round it goes. Most of this should get sorterd out on Global with no alliances.

Cheers

The thing that would help sort it out would be for the devs to actually think on where they place the starting locations. Placing hostile forces within 5 min of each other is a really bad concept. So either flat out hard set the starting locations to the rookie area and non-rookie players can easily sail out of the area to where ever they like. 

[Smiling Jack]

Was chasing around the British in my Privateer by LaNav and Royal...got to duel with some of them...you want to talk about the odds NOT being in my favor?  Brits came so close the crew started throwing Rum bottles at them...   

[Sir Texas Sir]

5 minutes ago, Smiling Jack said:

Was chasing around the British in my Privateer by LaNav and Royal...got to duel with some of them...you want to talk about the odds NOT being in my favor?  Brits came so close the crew started throwing Rum bottles at them...   

I realy hope those where empty rum bottles. I mean good way to distract them, but such a waste too.

[Smiling Jack]

Na Mate,,,we drank the Rum while spitting insults at them while firing away!  Then we started throwing the bottles!  Yo-Ho-Ho...!

[Smiling Jack]

We don't need anyone's  Pity Lads...We have HELL on our Side...so drink up Gents! 

[TXSailor]

10 hours ago, Comrade I Stalin said:

That is very noble of you,and I apllaud you, but what does it have to do with other players playing the game the way they want?

One porting nations eliminates players and posibility of PVP. You looking at the result of Mega Alliance dominance. But thats politics of the server. You cannot attack 80% of players and AI on the server, so you go look for it elsewhere, unfortunatelly Experinced players have no reason to be there now. 

My point was you were hunting there, hoping to get a good PVP, or sinking AI,  or getting fresh air,  all legitimate reasons, but from his point of view,  you were blockading La Tortue and assembling a gank squad. As I suggested in my earleir post, you might want to look at things from the other player perspective before passing judgement. Not once I said he was defensive. Pirates are not defensive by definition, you do not become pirate if you are not aggressive. 

In 3 weeks we get a new game. I am happy that you guys are still motivated to come out. That would be awesome 2-3 weeks ago, before the announcement.  Now, really no point if you maxed out.

My point wasn't grief but rather this: Not a day has gone by where I haven't seen Pirates complain about being outnumbered and essentially bullied in battle. And yet I have not had a single pirate interaction where they sought to bring more than 4 times my BR to the fight. To me, it's hypocritical, and I felt it was worth pointing out. 

 

As per his point of view, I get that. Which is why when the battle started and I saw the numbers arrayed against us (Right on top of us, many of them) my assumption was at first that it was a mistake on his part (We've all pulled in a target and accidentally dragged in AI. It happens.) so I came up battle text to say "Hey man, there's no chance of survival here with these AI. We're gonna run." which could easily be followed up with something to the effect of 'Oh yeah, with 15 some-odd more ships and SOL, running makes sense'. Instead it was met with calls of 'Coward! US is a bunch of cowards!' which again, to me, sounded foolish. And to go beyond that, I DID tell him we're not out to gank n00bs (Hell, we passed a kid in a Trader Snow, when he started trying to run, we came up on global to let him know he wouldn't be attacked, he could continue his course) so there was no need to try to bully us out of the water. His choice of action? Bring another overwhelming fleet and try to do it again, all the while calling 'Coward' that we wouldn't dive into 5 times the number of ships we had, all of which outgunned us. 

 

This isn't a "NERF PIRATES!" post. More I thought it was worth pointing out that for all the cries of 'unfair numbers' I've seen from Pirates, it seems to be the only tactic they know in return. 

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

We must rise above such petty squabbles

At least write a story about it, embellish it with tales of bravery and stuff. You know, good propaganda ;) 

[TXSailor]

Just now, Hethwill said:

We must rise above such petty squabbles

At least write a story about it, embellish it with tales of bravery and stuff. You know, good propaganda ;) 

lol had it been a good natured encounter, I certainly might.

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

That's the beauty of propaganda, turn a ugly spot into a golden victory

[Koltes]

On 06/04/2017 at 8:20 AM, TXSailor said:

So, I've seen a LOT of Pirates in PvP2 complaining that Americans don't play nice, that the Pirates are the REAL victims... and then I get this lovely fleet after me and they wonder why I don't want to stay and fight?

 

 

Just wanted to throw this out here. Whine and complain all you want, but I doubt anyone here would take these odds.

Pirates got you in their territory. You got caught with a big AI fleet on their side, which is another thing pirates and all other hardcore PVPers "crying" about to be removed.

You will not hear any BLACK member crying about being ganked. Period. If they do point it out to me and we will do some serious talking.

Get this right. There is only 2 things we complain about:

1. Carebear alliances that have little pvp skills and kill small nations purelly with big numbers. Its conquest and global map related not OW;

2. Running from PBs. In our books if we are there and even if we are greatly outnumbered we will stay, we will fight until we win or die. We only come to PBs to fight no matter the outcome.

Let me chew the above for you. Whatever pirates "crying" about is related to keep server healthy so we have more pvp fight. So we could have bigger nations (including YOUR nation), so we could.. well you guessed it - fight you in OW on whatever terms and in equal PBs. Hoping that server is healthy enough to produce enough wealth for you so you wont care if you lose your precious ships.

 

OW on the other hand in our books has no rules. Please yourself attacking, running, ganking, baiting whatever tickles your fancy. Its opportunistic environment and personally I find thrill avoiding ganks while managing sinking ships.

Don't get pissed off. Get happy you avoided a pirate gank. Come back on your terms and fight, but please stop making these posts every time after some pirates pulled you in with an AI fleet. Is this some kind of new fashion lately?

Edited April 9, 2017 by koltes