Will we need to pay actual money for Ships in game?

[Sir John Franklin]

Apart from anything else, noobs with wads of cash would soon find out the hard way that a good ship does not guarantee progression. I expect that most important in this game for your progression and success will be through learning, training, trial and error. I would pretty much guarantee that a good experienced player would be able to defeat a raw noob in a ship considerably larger in a 1 on 1 fight.

 

As in EVE, just because you have a Battleship doesn't mean you can take everything that comes at you. My clan, or rather corp, diplomat is guilty of doing that and needless to say he lost it almost immediatly. And of all things to a frigate.

[Simfex]

Building and programming a new ship is quite difficult and a lot of work, so I think it is correct to bring additional ships with DLC for real money. I am sure I would pay money for the swedish "Wasa" 

[amphore]

There will be a set of beautiful or famous premium ships in game

The rest of vessels will be obtainable in game from admiralty, trading companies or other players

 

unless it dont turn into a pay2win like world of tank and war thunder (since we already pay a base price) I hope it gonna be more like exclusive ship with same class stats as normal ones. or ships with special paint skins, sails pattern, and stuff like that would be awesome.

[Mirones]

unless it dont turn into a pay2win like world of tank and war thunder (since we already pay a base price) I hope it gonna be more like exclusive ship with same class stats as normal ones. or ships with special paint skins, sails pattern, and stuff like that would be awesome.

i can asure you it wont be p2w since thats not what the devs want it will be most likely not be bigger than surpise since that would cost alot if the yacht costs 19bucks.

so expect an small indiaman or something the caliber of the Ontario or Mercury Brig wich you can find in the WiP post in the Shipyard-subforum

[TheMarineGamer]

Will we have to pay for ships, Because in the pre order menu it says the Yacht is a $20 value and that leads me to believe that we will either have to grind for weeks to get the points to get a new ship, or we can pay 20 bucks and get it right away. just curious.

The yatch is a premium ship that is why it costs real currency other ships however will most likely be bought by in-game currency and perhaps like in Star Trek Online you might get free ships on some occasions

[Theuerdank]

For me its still not absolutely clear where "Naval Action" will be going. Sure, there are plans, but in which way really playable at release? It will be really an open 'sea'world, a real MMOG with nations/factions, harbours, continents, islands, war-peace, economy, trading, shipyards, civil-, political- and military- belongings? If economy, huge harbours producing ships, it will be playebased, or you 'buy' from a computerbased pool? Ingame purchasing, or from publisher? If both.... the real-money purchasers are 'op' and 'free' players are 'mob'?

 

Momentary i like the few ships, great sailing feeling, but sure there is still no real gameplay. Its a small function testable.... anyway a most important part

[r6751]

Currently the only vessel that is obtainable through the payment of real money is the Royal Yacht. As far as I know, it is meant for those who purchase the game in it's earliest stages and will remain unique in Naval Action. Admin will probably announce how micro-transactions in Naval Action will work when they get to them. For now however, testers can use any and all ships in battle, though this is likely to change before release.

Actually, to get better ships - even in the testing, you must score hits and sinkings. The yacht we get for pre-ordering does not score and so cannot earn anything. I guess it is just eye candy.  Perhaps in the Beta testing larger ships will be made available without having to sink a fleet to get them. I love the game so far, and would hate to think that those who want to be merchant traders are locked out of having larger ships because they avoid combat.

[MATANZA]

unless it dont turn into a pay2win like world of tank and war thunder (since we already pay a base price) I hope it gonna be more like exclusive ship with same class stats as normal ones. or ships with special paint skins, sails pattern, and stuff like that would be awesome.

Why do you call War Thunder a pay2win game? All of the premium vehicles are worse than the same-tier equivalents. You just get an exp and cash boost while using them. I wouldn't care if NA uses this kind of premium stuff. It's not game-breaking. Stuff like premium vessels that are perfoming quite the same like other vessels would be a good way to support a game, since keeping an MMO going with a buy 2 play scheme could be tough.

[BlouBulle]

I would like to see specific ships to be purchased with real cash, like a Victory in pre-Trafalgar colour for in game earning and the ionic black and yellow for purchase.

 

The big ditch the devs must not fall into is paid buffs like gold ammo or camo that helps in game.

 

 

Anyway, now I am beating a month old last used thread.

[Henry d'Esterre Darby]

Actually, to get better ships - even in the testing, you must score hits and sinkings. The yacht we get for pre-ordering does not score and so cannot earn anything. I guess it is just eye candy.  Perhaps in the Beta testing larger ships will be made available without having to sink a fleet to get them. I love the game so far, and would hate to think that those who want to be merchant traders are locked out of having larger ships because they avoid combat.

 

The current advancement system is just to help ensure people test all of the ships.  There will be a different system altogether in place at release for earning larger ships.  That said, merchants don't trade using a warship.  Warships aren't designed to carry large amounts of cargo, they're designed to fight.  Merchant ships will be far less "armored", have far fewer men, less rigging/sails, and, in general, very few cannon.

[Ghroznak]

Will we have to pay for ships, Because in the pre order menu it says the Yacht is a $20 value and that leads me to believe that we will either have to grind for weeks to get the points to get a new ship, or we can pay 20 bucks and get it right away. just curious.

 

Maybe you need to re-read it.

 

It says $20 for the Premium Yatch.

 

Like many other games they have certain collectible items that have different camouflage, colors, markings et.c. than the standard things in the game.

 

Regular yatch is probably free.

 

Premium one with special stuff costs money.

 

I say that's fair enough. If people want to pay 20$ to have a ship that's blue instead of brown, then why not?

[BlouBulle]

I agree with Ghroznak (on this topic at least), you most likely are a KTS or two faster, start with 4 more guns and the rest is just looks.

 

Basically it is a thank you symbol not a PTW feature, lets keep premium that way.

[Elric]

I hope we don't get into real money...  I played Blizzard Diablo 3 for several years - at one point there was a real money auction capability and the game became infested with Chinese players farming gear to sell via auction.  Newbie players were spending $50-$100 and getting gear that the normal players would take months to accumulate.  It very much devalued playing the game.

 

 

Fortunately Blizzard ended up terminating the real money aspects of the game on the US and EU servers.

[Prater]

You don't have to pay real money for special ships if you don't want.  Question though, how are the devs supposed to keep the servers running if they aren't bringing in money to keep them running?

 

 

Newbie players were spending $50-$100 and getting gear that the normal players would take months to accumulate.

 

If a newbie comes in and buys a premium frigate and wants to sail it, they are getting themselves into a world of hurt.  #1 they don't have the crew to sail it.  #2 they dont have the skill.  They will just end up in someone's dock or at the bottom of the sea.

[Ledinis]

You don't have to pay real money for special ships if you don't want.  Question though, how are the devs supposed to keep the servers running if they aren't bringing in money to keep them running?

 

 

If a newbie comes in and buys a premium frigate and wants to sail it, they are getting themselves into a world of hurt.  #1 they don't have the crew to sail it.  #2 they dont have the skill.  They will just end up in someone's dock or at the bottom of the sea.

Well theres quite a good solution. Cosmetic upgrades They do not affect the actual game play, but god knows there's a lot of money to be made from it Heck if i could sail around with black sails i wouldnt mind paying 5$ for it... give me a white sail with a sloth painted on it and you will get 15$ O.o 

Edited July 21, 2016 by Ledinis

[Elric]

Although I paid money for the game a month ago, I don't see a problem with some small monthly or annual subscription charge to continue to play - if it means a good performing server and good support from the developers. 

[Prater]

Premium ships aren't pay to win and there is nothing wrong with them if there are just as feasible alternatives to players who aren't buying premium ships. There's no reason not to have them if the devs so choose if that's the case.

[Anne Wildcat]

It would be cool to pay for flag patterns and such but please no premium ships.

Edited July 21, 2016 by Anne Wildcat

[#Seven]

I'm sorry but.. excluding the Yacht which I missed out on by not even knowing this game existed until it came to steam, the minute "premium" and "exclusive" ships start popping into the game I'm done.

 

It irks me that I can't ever obtain the Yacht as it is, I like to be able to try and own every ship the game has to offer. The minute more ships are either hidden behind a paywall or certain ships handed out to special groups of people, then I'm done with the game.

 

I read somewhere that people who had their suggestions implemented into officer traits would receive two "exclusive" ships. Every variant of every ship should be obtainable by everyone in game.

[Prater]

Well, you might as well leave now because a second premium ship is currently in testing phase.

 

The exclusive ships you are talking about though was early access to testing ships, which everyone currently has one of, the Bucentaure.

 

Seriously people.  If you don't want Naval Action servers to be supported, just leave now because you are actually harming the community instead of supporting it.  If you want our servers to stay up and be maintained, then stop with the whining about premium ships.

 

You all signed up aware that premium ships were in game - the yacht is perfect example.  Is the yacht better than the pickle or privateer?  Not at all.  For one it has less crew.  Is the yacht OP?  No.  It has similar stats to similar sized vessels.  It is essentially a reskin of the cutter.  So stop whining about premium ships.  They are essentially reskins that you pay money for.  Why should we be entitled to all DLC and expansions released by Game Labs for Naval Action?  If you want the dlc or expansions, you are going to have to pay for them, just like every other game.

[#Seven]

Well, you might as well leave now because a second premium ship is currently in testing phase.

 

The exclusive ships you are talking about though was early access to testing ships, which everyone currently has one of, the Bucentaure.

 

Seriously people.  If you don't want Naval Action servers to be supported, just leave now because you are actually harming the community instead of supporting it.  If you want our servers to stay up and be maintained, then stop with the whining about premium ships.

 

You all signed up aware that premium ships were in game - the yacht is perfect example.  Is the yacht better than the pickle or privateer?  Not at all.  For one it has less crew.  Is the yacht OP?  No.  It has similar stats to similar sized vessels.  It is essentially a reskin of the cutter.  So stop whining about premium ships.  They are essentially reskins that you pay money for.  Why should we be entitled to all DLC and expansions released by Game Labs for Naval Action?  If you want the dlc or expansions, you are going to have to pay for them, just like every other game.

 

As I clearly said, I believe every variant of every ship should be available to everyone in game, It's an opinion that I'm entitled to and I'll whine all I want, regardless of whether you think it's harmful or not.

 

Now If these "premium" ships were able to be traded and sold on the market so that people could obtain them via in-game currency, that's cool. This still gives people a chance to obtain these ships without spending more money on the game, and it doesn't shut off an additional revenue angle for the developers.

 

I maybe should have worded my initial post better because what I'm really opposed to are unique or "exclusive" ships being given to a select few, with no chance of anyone else being able to obtain them, be that by purchasing them with real money or in-game trading.

 

I don't believe anybody said the Yacht was better than the Pickle or Privateer, nor that it was OP. I simply said I'd of liked the chance to sail it - I like how it looks, unfortunately I wasn't aware of the game before it's release on steam, tough luck for me.

[Prater]

The argument most people give against premium ships are that they are OP and pay to win and this has been argued to death in the past.  Anyway, like I said, premium ships are dlc.  Most dlc you pay for.  I'm sure during steam sales the dlc will be cheaper.  The ships are expensive to make though, they are hundreds of dollars if not more, and they take at least 3 months to get in game.  You paid $40 usd (or $30 usd during steam sale) and will receive a $40 game.

 

Look at it this way.  Assassin's Creed 4 Black Flag had 1 ship you could use and like 5 enemy ships.  Age of Pirates and the derivatives had 10-20 ships.  Naval Action already currently has 25+ high quality and expensive to make ships in the game and there are at least half a dozen if not more ships currently in development.  What other age of sail game out there offers so many high quality ships and only 1 is confirmed dlc and another in testing might become dlc?

[#Seven]

I think anyone arguing the Yacht is OP needs their head checked. 

 

My issue isn't with these ships being OP or whatnot. I simply believe ships bought outside of the game should be able to be sold, traded and captured in-game also, available to everybody, I don't see a problem with this.

 

I'm a huge fan of the quality of ships in Naval Action and the way they sail, no other game has been close to this level of authenticity. However Naval Action has a competitive multiplayer side to it the games you mentioned don't, whether you like it or not people are going to whine endlessly about unique ships being behind a paywall in a multiplayer game with a big competitive aspect.

 

As you said the difference between the premium ships and ships of the same class may be negligible, I agree, no issue here. But I do believe putting purely cosmetic options such as paint-jobs and flags behind a paywall would have been a much better option than whole ships, completely avoiding the whole argument of premium ships being OP, one which again, I don't subscribe to.

[Atreides]

Seven, check your PMs. I have something for you.

[Balsafer]

If people want the ship buy it.