Bad reviewers on Steam with 1,000+ hours: You are an absolute disgrace

[NorthernWolves]

This is shambolic, a total disgrace.  Every single one of you who left a bad review after hundreds and hundreds, even thousands of hours in the game should be ashamed of your childish petulant behavior.  Yet feeling shame over trying to push people away from a game you have played obsessively and still play, would require an IQ above 4, so that rules that out.

For every one of these 1,000 hour (and still playing!) reviewers, there are three more with 900+ hours in the game, even more than that with 7-800 hours. You just need a good backhand.

You know what 600 hours in game is? That is fifteen 40 hour work weeks of straight Naval Action, that's probably longer than most of you have ever survived in a job before getting fired.

I have critiqued this game more than most, there are still many things I am not happy with, I've been staring at the worst 3D rendering of the Constitution for over 2 years. I promise I have never held back, I was the only moderator that would argue and debate with Admin in the mod skype channel, the rest would just kiss his ass, I even quit the moderator team over an argument with him, however, being a grown up, it never once crossed my mind to leave a bad review. For everything that I would like to change, there are a dozen that they have gotten spot on.

They are not trying to make a bad game, they are trying to get it right, how we help them and help ourselves is by encouraging more people to buy the game. It ain't goddamn rocket science.

You know what is so telling about the sheer idiocy of these little punks? The only consistent complaint across the majority of these bad reviews was one thing: 'There aren't enough players'

So you leave a bad review and keep playing to ensure that that problem continues? That is just about the dumbest goddamn thing I have ever heard of.

Naval Action now has a 'mixed' review status on Steam thanks to theses petulant temper tantrum throwing children. Hell, one of them was a single sentence 'review' about the 'server being down', a dozen others were about being 'ganked'. Fucking Christ man, grow up.
 

[Guest]

In regards to the current 'Mixed' status for recent reviews, here's some words of wisdom from Admin himself.

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Reviews jump and down based on the patch results. There is nothing to worry about unless the reviews fall to the level that it stops sales. We are in early access and the community helps us to fund this search for better new features. That is the only negative from the potential drop of reviews

 

[Werewolf]

Ashamed of their childish, petulant behavior, says the guy who took the time to screenshot these accounts and make a big post about it. People are entitled to their opinions. They paid the same as you. Perhaps the game was enjoyable for them before a patch ruined it for them. Pretty sure publicly naming and insulting them isn't going to win any of them back or help the game.

[Kloothommel]

1 hour ago, NorthernWolves said:

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Every single one of you who left a bad review after hundreds and hundreds, even thousands of hours in the game should be ashamed of your childish petulant behavior.  

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For every one of these 1,000 hour (and still playing!) reviewers, there are three more with 900+ hours in the game, even more than that with 7-800 hours. You just need a good backhand.

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Fucking Christ man, grow up.
 

I agree 10000% with your point, sir! 

 

[Angus McGregor]

3 minutes ago, Werewolf said:

Ashamed of their childish, petulant behavior, says the guy who took the time to screenshot these accounts and make a big post about it. People are entitled to their opinions. They paid the same as you. Perhaps the game was enjoyable for them before a patch ruined it for them. Pretty sure publicly naming and insulting them isn't going to win any of them back or help the game.

Publicly naming and insulting them? What on earth are you talking about? No names were cited - not one. Is this a guilty conscience speaking?

I'm fairly certain the screenshots were to provide indisputable proof that they had played NA for *months*... a freaking YEAR and more in a few cases. Most AAA games are expected to provide 50-60 hours of playing time. So they certainly can't claim they didn't get their money's worth. But instead of realizing their $39.95 investment had rewarded them handsomely, they decide to try to crap all over our chances of ending up with something better.

Publishing a bad review if you think the game still has potential is just shooting not only yourself, but everyone else in the foot. Yeah - not appreciated... thanks a heap for that you morons! I can only assume these twits would rather try to ensure there's no 'Age of Sail' MMO than one which didn't cater to their every little whim. So sorry if the devs or the other players and their ideas hurt your little feel bads.

Selfish little gits....

[Wesreidau]

Oh boy, a thread to contribute to.

There ya go. I paid my money, put in my time, reported bugs, put in suggestions, did my part. I tracked the rise and fall, I've recommended, not-recommended, and recommended again as patches came and went. The current trajectory is negative, and I will change my review when it turns positive.

[Magnum]

Hey me too ...

I paid the same as well ... " I paid my money, put in my time, reported bugs, put in suggestions, did my part. I tracked the rise and fall, I've recommended, not-recommended, and recommended again as patches came and went. The current trajectory is negative, and I will change my review when it turns positive."

Northern you put a comment on my review to the effect you think I should be ashamed for writing it. I thought it would have been clear to you what I thought of your overbearing, bullying, jackdaw "opinions" when I left TDA?

Grow up - the internet doesn't care what you think.

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The review is between me and STEAM - luckily no one here tries to silence STEAM .....

Edited November 28, 2016 by Magnum

[ArmoredKorps]

Someone needs to find a woman! 

[Rychu Karas]

Don't cheat yourself boys.

AtM most of the community are fanboys (i'm also) even if the environment is bad we will not stop play this crap: ]. But for casuals, and non-fanboys, the game is hard, empty and boring. I'm an old fan of potbs, now I play and "TRY" to enjoy NA. I bring 5 friends of mine from other game not related to sail age subject. They couldn't hang here even for a week. That's the problem. Hard begin for newcomers, not friendly environment + lack of understanding of the game specification = fast leave, bad reviews also.

Like most of us, I wish best for NA

Edited November 28, 2016 by Rychu Karas

[The Spud]

I think we should be arguing about how we can make this game better, and not by just screamin fire and murder all the time until by miracle the problem solves itself. This game has excellent battles, you just can't "not like". So the core of the game is excellent, we just need to perfect everything around it.

That being said, Early Acces reviews are realy pointless in my opinion, its like giving a review on a half baked cake, there's no point in commenting on half finished implementations that might get removed/changed drasticaly.

Its OK for people to share a clear view on the current state, but they should use their review as a blog and update/change it as new patches come. cause theres not much point in having a negative review out their about some mechanics that are no longer in the game, or not in the same way as they used to.

[JollyRoger1516]

With your childish post you seem to forgot that reviews aren't just your personal review. More than anything they are recommendations. That means if the was fun for 500+ hours that is awesome but it does in now way necessarily reflect its current state. In its current state I don't think a player that buys the game and has to start at the bottom would have any fun- hey I don't even have much fun right now. So under no circumstance will I write a good review that makes people pay 35€ if I don't think these guys will enjoy their time! And everybody is entitled to their own opinion in this matter - as long as these guys aren't lying in their argumentation I see no problem with a guy writing a negative review at any point.

And yes I do wish for this game to go up and be fun again but I will not lie for it!

Edited November 28, 2016 by JollyRoger1516

[Snoopy]

NorthernWolves, I get where you are coming from but you should take into account that in it's current form, if it were released today, the game really is unplayable, even if that is an uncomfortable truth for us fanbois. I have every faith in the devs, they have pulled stuff that wasn't working from the game all the time, and they will make a game that will be enjoyable to play.

I know they can because I played an awesome game for a long time: I am in the 2000+ hours club as well and if I were to write a review today it would also end with "not recommended" (which is why I have refrained from writing a review, I think this would be unfair to an unfinished work in progress that gets many things right).

So instead of pounding your fist on the table now, when even hard core players give it a thumbs down because, perhaps, the game actually is in trouble you shouldn't try to bend reality with your "backhand". By all means, check whether they will give it a thumbs up after the devs have fixed it again or if there was something else to it..

Edited November 28, 2016 by Snoopy

[vazco]

If devs respond in this topic in a similar way as to the last one, reviews will go from mixed to negative. Just don't. Please.

[Jeheil]

I think the last patch well, it didn't work as intended. It was well intended, all good ideas, but just wonky and wonky in areas that hurt alot. Hostility Mech, RoE, crafting. This had alot of folks well, salty. Almost every PB involves using the dark corners of the patch mechanics and there is alot of disenchantment.

Its early access. If the Dev's learn and adapt then all is fine.

I totally agree with the OP however.

You spend $40 Australian and get even 100 hours of play...well you got your moneys worth. Now you may be super dissapointed with recent changes. However and I like the word petulant as used by the OP, the internet today is filled with self entitled wankery. I would venture anyone with 1,000 hours is a fan. Jeeebus I have had marriages with less involvement !!

I see this as little more than internet-vandalism, selfish, self entitled whineyness. AND I REALLY HATE ALOT OF THE RECENT CHANGES. But I prefer to suggest improvements and you know what. I have had 1,500 hours out of this game....so basically THANKS for that GL

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Rychu Karas]

1100 on record. but

500 on the battle screen, 100 hanging in port. 400 simply sailing and looking for targets. 100 of ACTION... : ]

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Reviews ?

I see very little proper reviews on steam, especially on the negative side of the fence. There's a few very objective and proto-professional ones but the majority is whining against change.

Some changes are good, others are bad. If we look to regional resources, it was a community request. If you look to removal of flags and implementation of hostility, it was a community request. Same with RoE and same with raking, crafting ( especially the push for rare SOLs ) etc.

So how dare we, regular forumites, testers, and good folk that suggest a lot of things, to say that our own ideas are not good ?! Damn GL, stop listening to us !!!  /sarcasm off

I know for sure that 1st implementations are never a final scenario, as any NA player tester worth their salt should know by now.

By all the fish of the sea, we didn't have a Map once. And there was a time when no more than 60 people would play in the OW and that was once per week.

And guess what ? Game is awesome today as it was during the first and second iterations of OW.

Look at all the headway we made. Be honest. The majority of negative reviews are simply untrue and review mechanics that no longer exist. They insist on living in the past.

[Siegfried]

Childist and chantage reviews mainly. But they damage the game anyway.

The most of them are the type of... "As devs didn't made the game as I wish, I go to chantage them with bad review for get it in the next patch" and/or "devs can ignore my post in the forum but they can't to silence me in Steam". I am sure that many of that reviews are from people using the exploit of second and third... and even more accounts (lol). They can vote more times too...

Well, the game is boring maybe (EA and devs are working in that), for some people, but write a negative review in Steam is a shot in the foot. OP said that some reviews were negative because the server population? Seriously?? lol Good way to fix that with a bad review.

More than 1000 hours and you vote negative?? Seriously? In the worst case, you amortized your money very well, Early Access is not for you, come back when the game is released.

Well, the review have a tag indicating is Early Access review, but all we know that is not enough, too many people don't read and in the end, only the red icon and percentage remains in the mind of the potential consumer. Remember when the warnings about attack a national NPC or for close outpost... how many people keep doing that wrong?

 

 

Edited November 28, 2016 by Siegfried

[Roche Brasiliano]

Ha, bravo!

[jodgi]

8 hours ago, NorthernWolves said:

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This is the most glorious post I've seen here in a very long time. I'm laughing euphorically at the form and crying bitterly at the subject matter.

You're the hero we deserve, wolf.

So beautiful...

[Æthlstan]

Waiting for the admins/moderators to moderate language, 

 

but perhaps they won't since the language is defending the admins... who knows.

 

I've kept my positive review but I have stopped playing the game, and at this point don't know if I will return, even after release. I'm not going to force myself to come play this game anymore unless I actually want to play it. I don't have enough time in my life right now to really commit the time this massive time sink generator requires. 

 

I must wonder how much of my 1600 hours playing is me AFK sailing, or AFK in port (as I am right now), or sitting around at sea lurking in a chat room because there's nothing to do. Regardless of what features we have now, less than 2 weeks after we got this last patch it was announced it was all being scrapped. So I'm not going to test it. Its all going away anyways.

 

That new crafting system? Bye Bye. I was developing a system for my clan to use so we could attempt to manage all the new resources, I had started to put a lot of work into it, but nope. Deleted the excel files, no point in developing them further, moot point with crafting changes happening before we can adequately test anything. The current system could actually work really well if you wiped us and forced us to gather all resources instead of how it works now, IE, stop producing the coal you already have mountains of,  and shift production to just the new resources you need. But no, lets make it all stupid simple and have good ships and bad ships. No one is going to sail basics here, but poor players now dont have the option to shoot for fine or mastercraft and make up the difference in skill. 

Lets not even get into the idiocy that surrounds the ROE.

There are countless other poor development decisions made by the developers, favoritism to the Russian speakers (I learn of somewhat important things discussed in livestreams and russian language forum posts only because I am friends with a russian-american) and poor reactions to constructive criticism, that I feel the admins sure as hell deserve those negative reviews. And that is a conclusion I have come to more recently, as you can find me defending the game and the developers on several of those older reviews. 

This game isn't really like other  Early access games, say, War of Rights...not anymore. We have a fully functional game. But it isnt fun. It doesnt draw in new players. The new players we get usually just stop playing and fade away. Every clan I see has problems with activity and members that just drop off the face of the earth. Those problems are so significant it severely impacts RvR and PvP. 

The early access excuse isn't valid. The slow development/small dev team excuse isn't valid. We have seen more than enough content and features added to the game, but the simple truth of it is that it isn't fun for the majority of people who have bought the game, and hasn't been fun for a long time. I know of hundreds of people/clans, maybe a thousand or more, that I have played with or played against, that have stopped playing this game entirely. Maybe half are lurking around waiting for a reason to play again, but a lot have also been turned off entirely by the direction the game has taken,

 

 

I could go on, but anyone can take a look around and see how wrong the OP is.

 

I'm not a groupie. I'm not a pom pom girl. I want this game to succeed, and the developers need constructive feedback. Constructive feedback is not a cheer section, like all too much of this forum is

If you want improvement, you have to lay it out cold. You have to tell it straight. No sugar coating. No false encouragement. No participation trophy. When a feature sucks, or the game is no longer enjoyable, you tell them. You dont sit there and rationalize, and say

"oh, well, the 1000 hours I played back when the game was enjoyable means that this is still a good game and that I should endorse it. Even though it has changed for the worse and wouldnt be fun for a new player"

That negative review then tells the devs to fix themselves. Its up to the devs to decide how many negative reviews they decide is significant, and what they deem is an appropriate response to increasingly negative constructive feedback... as the majority of testers feel shouted down by the pom pom girls here on the forums

Edited November 28, 2016 by Æthlstan

[Mirones]

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That new crafting system?

was asked for from the very beginning. instead of going for 100% in one direction and exluding other trims. the new one gives the option to take care of certain aspects of the ship. instead of going all or nothing in a certain way.

[Kloothommel]

1000+ hours and negative review = pure salt and selfishness.

[Æthlstan]

6 minutes ago, Mirones said:

was asked for from the very beginning. instead of going for 100% in one direction and exluding other trims. the new one gives the option to take care of certain aspects of the ship. instead of going all or nothing in a certain way.

But not the removal of all the other qualities.

 

And in either case, major crafting changes, especially ones that impact resource production, should always be tested with a wipe. 

[Vaan De Vries]

1 hour ago, Hethwill said:

Reviews ?

I see very little proper reviews on steam, especially on the negative side of the fence. There's a few very objective and proto-professional ones but the majority is whining against change.

Some changes are good, others are bad. If we look to regional resources, it was a community request. If you look to removal of flags and implementation of hostility, it was a community request. Same with RoE and same with raking, crafting ( especially the push for rare SOLs ) etc.

So how dare we, regular forumites, testers, and good folk that suggest a lot of things, to say that our own ideas are not good ?! Damn GL, stop listening to us !!!  /sarcasm off

I know for sure that 1st implementations are never a final scenario, as any NA player tester worth their salt should know by now.

By all the fish of the sea, we didn't have a Map once. And there was a time when no more than 60 people would play in the OW and that was once per week.

And guess what ? Game is awesome today as it was during the first and second iterations of OW.

Look at all the headway we made. Be honest. The majority of negative reviews are simply untrue and review mechanics that no longer exist. They insist on living in the past.

100 times True!

My analysis of bad reviews:

(sarcasm on)

1. 75% - oh, my, they changed crafting. It's nearly impossible to craft ships now (aha, when I am actually ahamed to go into PB with pre-pathched Santi instead of Strong-Hall one). Now i CANT craft exceptional frigate every day...

2. 45% - I was GANKEDin my SOL or trader. ME!!! GANKED!!! In an OW PVP sandbox! ME!!! Experienced MMO player coming from WOW and Lineage!!! And they ganked me while I was AFK sailing!!! That's disgrace

3. 45% DEVSin this game are the worst! They don't listen! They haven't implemented NOT ONE FEATURE requested by players. And ofc they also banned be from forums for NO REASON.

4. 30% Devs are organising special tournaments and stuff to cover their intention to give UNFAIR advantage to small selected number of players. And now we have only 45 agamemnons in PB sailed by these priveleged players. (sarcasm off - I am actually sailing Agamemnon and I never participated in any event or tournament - bad privileged ME )

5. 15% the game about age of sail is dominated by CLANS. FFS WHY CANT I CAPTURE THE STUPID PORT ALONE??!!! 

(sarcasm off)

I am not saying that game is awesome right now and easy to play from the beginning. But It's is easy when you know what you are doing.

I am not saying the game doesn't have flaws. And 10% of negative reviews do describe these flaws very well. But 

But the game is in Early access. The devs are working and we can clearly see that. A LOT got changed just during the last year!

The game can be harsh - and that's why there are so many whiners who don't understand and the main problem is - they will never be able to understand what the words PVP sandbox or EARLY ACCESS really mean. Such whiners are simply not Age of Sail material. And yes, they use their right to brag and whine to cover their inability to adapt and evolve. 

The questing is - what WE can do. What everybody who sees this game potential can do to help it's progression.

EVERYONE of us should go to steam and (depending on how much time you have):

1. downvote whining and lying reviews. Some negative reviews are actually very good and have a point. But most of them (like saying devs are the worse and etc) are just bragging and whining mixed with lie

2. Upvote good comments (even if its a negative one)

3. WRITE review yourself!! Don't be shy or lazy!

The problems with whiners and haters - they always will find time to write hate reviews. We should find time to write a good one.

[Æthlstan]

16 minutes ago, Kloothommel said:

1000+ hours and negative review = pure salt and selfishness.

This comment= pom pom  girl status.

 

Kloothommel, you and I usually agree on most things, but that is simply not a valid statement to make when the game has changed so significantly within those 1000 hours.

If you do not like the game, and play it only because of the friends you have in the game, hell yeah you can leave a negative review

 

I hated destiny but I bought it and put a decent amount of time in it because for awhile, its the only thing my friends played, and I was there to hang out with them. It still deserved my negative review.

Edited November 28, 2016 by Æthlstan