State of the lame

[Mrdoomed]

There are a couple things that are not game breaking ( covered in admins NOT FUN post) but are very lame and make the game frustrating.

1. I know this one will catch flack from many but ALTS are just killing me. Im so tired of midshipmen in cutters following me around like fish nears a shark. Obviously spying because they know i wont bother attacking them but they join the battle when i fight someone and they ram me get in front of me and stop etc. Plus they buy false flags to stop battles , they spy, they do anything they can to break immersion and hurt the game.

2. Players reaching max level on a pvp server and never having done anything but pve. From rear admirals in sols asking me in my suprise to please leave them alone cuz they are on a mission to just running for 50 minutes in battle and nevrer once trying to fight, to only knowing how to charge me ( like im an ai) and ram me to board me then once failing they are dead because they have no clue how to fight.

There REALLY needs to be a way to stop progress on xp until you get in a healthy amount of pvp under your belt.

Example, i was watching an entire fleet of players in sols doing port battles and trying to chain sails down to board while thier enemy simply sank them and destroyed towers and then defended towers. These 20 !!!! Rear admirals had NO IDEA how to fight another player.

These are the players who then come hereand bitch the game is broken.

Watch twitch and you will always find a good laugh.

[Kaos]

This is pve game, you really expect some competitive spirit out of general population?

[The Spud]

Agree on the ALT's, its OK if its same nation and used for crafting etc. But the spying stuff is kinda lame indeed.

 

For the levelling, I would not limit them in any way for nobody. Captains, should just know what battles they should keep out off and which ones not. But it would be cool if the "prestige" mode the devs hinted would only use PvP xp, maybe going as far as only counting the PvP kills, so it would realy be showing off how deadly you are.

[Snoopy]

Yeah the sailing part is badly underdeveloped in many.

Some of the battles in the recent past have been very painful to watch indeed.

Ironically, it's people who can't sail will tend to ignore offers of advice.

 

But, if you turn the argument around it is good news:

you can level to max rank and still suck, which means the game's difficulty is roughly ok on average, and for people who know what they are doing there is an endless supply of victims, including the treat of an occasional forum whine.

[Sir Texas Sir]

The problem as with many games like this is guys get folks to power level them fast and they never learn the basics and suddenly they are in the top tier ship and don't know the basics.

[admin]

The problem as with many games like this is guys get folks to power level them fast and they never learn the basics and suddenly they are in the top tier ship and don't know the basics.

 

Why is it bad? They are enjoying the game you have more varied targets. Whats the problem with this? 

Tournament shown that the level of skill of some players is immense, some players don't want to reach those levels of practice and its also ok. 

[randommexi]

The problem as with many games like this is guys get folks to power level them fast and they never learn the basics and suddenly they are in the top tier ship and don't know the basics.

 

i have no problem with this.  makes for easy kills of noobs.

 

the only problem I have is no one likes to fight.  so hard to get small group action or 1v1's.  unless its 5v1 no one wants to fight.  and fighting like that doesn't make you a good player.  you learn very little for those battles.

[Mrdoomed]

Why is it bad? They are enjoying the game you have more varied targets. Whats the problem with this?

Tournament shown that the level of skill of some players is immense, some players don't want to reach those levels of practice and its also ok.

Power leveling itself isnt bad but its the player that tends to result from it.

If they where just bad it would be ok but they often and i mean OFTEN just refuse to fight and spend thier entire career in missions.

They offer nothing to the pvp community whatsoever and the view times you catch one they just give up or stumble at you like like a drunk frat boy just trying to run into and rage board you because thats what theve been doing since the start.

At least that's what my experience has been.

[Benass]

Its a sand box game. 

 

Every one is entitled to play the game there way.  

[admin]

 

You end up with people with "high" ranks or levels who think they know the game but know even less than the guy who is only a Master and Commander sailing around PvPing in a Rattlesnake.   And these high ranking players tend to give out horrible advise, because... they "know" everything.

 

We are not Annapolis and cannot guarantee good training

Actually i take that back. Just though of the fact that almost every player if he somehow gets back into the past will be able to properly tack a frigate given enough crew and reduce heel before the gale. 

[Vernon Merrill]

My favorite as of late is when you go against a full-carro setup and stay at range to just absolutely pummel their sails and masts. They clearly don't realize you can now sail circles around them until it's too late.

But the best part is when they call you a pussy and a noob because you wouldn't go yardarm to yardarm with them.

The sad thing is I consider myself merely an average PVP'er. If and when the long-timers return, some of these big talkers are in for a rude awakening.

[Snoggy]

Kinda wish the americans would return to killing pirates outside MT......

 

Lot of the little pirates are gettin a little cocky in nation chat, getting annoying.

[Chimera]

Power leveling itself isnt bad but its the player that tends to result from it.

If they where just bad it would be ok but they often and i mean OFTEN just refuse to fight and spend thier entire career in missions.

They offer nothing to the pvp community whatsoever and the view times you catch one they just give up or stumble at you like like a drunk frat boy just trying to run into and rage board you because thats what theve been doing since the start.

At least that's what my experience has been.

So what? Let them at the game like they want to play it. If you limit people in the ways they enjoy the game most won't miracolously start to play the way YOU want them to but don't play at all.

PVP server means engaging other players is possible. It doesn't mean all other ways of playing at not allowed just because it's not the way you enjoy it.

[Mrdoomed]

So what? Let them at the game like they want to play it. If you limit people in the ways they enjoy the game most won't miracolously start to play the way YOU want them to but don't play at all.

PVP server means engaging other players is possible. It doesn't mean all other ways of playing at not allowed just because it's not the way you enjoy it.

Not sure why you seem so hostel towards me but nowhere did i say anyone MUST do anything. Im simply saying i wish players learned how to play.

Maybe you think making a captain, then joining a clan as soon as you log in, be given a ship way bigger than you can sail, be given purple marines or the best available, and gold boarding mods then power leveled by high level players who tell you...do nothing but shoot sails then ram board the ai. Rinse and repeat forever is a great idei. Hell maybe thats how you play.

Well HERE IS WHY I SAID I WISH PLAYERS KNEW MORE. These brilliant skilled captains then go into port battles ( because the ow scares them to death) and get thier asses kicked all over the map THEN come here and bitch the game is rigged, or that one faction is OP or that people are cheating.

Better yet when one gets caught in open world they do two things. 1. Run the entire fight never firing a shot while they are sunk or 2 fire chain shot with carronads way outa range untill you sink them. Then they come here and bitch per above bitching statement.

Thats all most of the people here are saying.

Dont be so upset.

[Hagen v Martius]

I fully agree on the knowledge part, it's just tragic to fight a Consti in a way smaller ship and win because the other guy does not know how to use manual sails or how to sail defensively or anything, but hey he can still call me "noob" and later on various insults in general because he's in the bigger ship and one's refusal to go broadside to broadside with him.   

But those folks will always exist and even if there were training missions or tutorials or even enforced tutorials. 

Hell, in case of the Consti I mentioned above, we explained to him how manual sails worked during the battle and how to sail to make raking him harder and how to range and not shoot everything at once, but he just kept on going with the insults instead. And since I saw a post yesterday where that exact same player was in an even bigger ship, still with no knowledge about sails or sailing, getting killed once by a ship much smaller than his, I can only conclude that he is one of the folks that simply does not want to learn. 

 

Personally I can't see the fun in that, but to each their own.

In the end all this means is more targets for the rest and it makes any good fight all the more special and fun when they do happen.

 

 

 

Oh there should probably be a huge bloody blinking sign to tell new players about surrendering and the benefits thereof as well, while we're sort of on this topic. It's getting nothing but annoying when they instead just sit there afk with lowered sails once they realise they can't run away in their Frigate or whatever, a waste of everyone's time and for them a needless waste of resources and officer lives as well.

[Mrdoomed]

I fully agree on the knowledge part, it's just tragic to fight a Consti in a way smaller ship and win because the other guy does not know how to use manual sails or how to sail defensively or anything, but hey he can still call me "noob" and later on various insults in general because he's in the bigger ship and one's refusal to go broadside to broadside with him.

But those folks will always exist and even if there were training missions or tutorials or even enforced tutorials.

Hell, in case of the Consti I mentioned above, we explained to him how manual sails worked during the battle and how to sail to make raking him harder and how to range and not shoot everything at once, but he just kept on going with the insults instead. And since I saw a post yesterday where that exact same player was in an even bigger ship, still with no knowledge about sails or sailing, getting killed once by a ship much smaller than his, I can only conclude that he is one of the folks that simply does not want to learn.

Personally I can't see the fun in that, but to each their own.

In the end all this means is more targets for the rest and it makes any good fight all the more special and fun when they do happen.

Oh there should probably be a huge bloody blinking sign to tell new players about surrendering and the benefits thereof as well, while we're sort of on this topic. It's getting nothing but annoying when they instead just sit there afk with lowered sails once they realise they can't run away in their Frigate or whatever, a waste of everyone's time and for them a needless waste of resources and officer lives as well.

Ha, i know the player here you must be referring to. I knew i was right.

[Mrdoomed]

This is historically accurate though. Porter was very salty about how the Phoebe stayed off her broadside after his being disabled (by self inflicted damage no less).

Its not about accuracy its about players having no idea how to play because a clan power levels them rigges them and teaches them how to rage board because its the easiest gamiest way to knock out an opponent and how players like Chimera think its fine and good to do that to them.

They do this to get them up to level in order to do port battles. And why does everyone complain about how often port battles are lopsided. Plus i e been in a dozen pbs probably and every one of them the enemy was a complete cluster smuck of guys running into each others, chaining hulls . They are no fun at all if you like any kind of submersion or realism.

Imagine how nice large battles with orginized captains fighting.

[maturin]

 

They do this to get them up to level in order to do port battles. And why does everyone complain about how often port battles are lopsided. Plus i e been in a dozen pbs probably and every one of them the enemy was a complete cluster smuck of guys running into each others, chaining hulls . They are no fun at all if you like any kind of submersion or realism.

*cough* PvP2 *cough*

 

*best server ever* coughcough***

[Mrdoomed]

*cough* PvP2 *cough*

*best server ever* coughcough***

Uh oh the troll has woke up. When does your mommy make lunch so you go away?

For someone who is r was a mod your horrible trolling behavior toso many people on the forums is disapointing. I hope its not a indication of how the business is run.

Your complete ignorance on most subjects you post on is one thing but the way you so often speak on behalf of the devs is just pathetic.

I know youre looking for reactions and attention from people to fill you day but this is all you will get from me on this subject.

Sad sad sad.

Edited October 15, 2016 by Mrdoomed

[Werewolf]

Alts need to go, or be locked to same side. Period. Anyone who wants to defend spy alts, don't waste your time. There is not a single valid argument for them.

[maturin]

Uh oh the troll has woke up. When does your mommy make lunch so you go away?

For someone who is r was a mod your horrible trolling behavior toso many people on the forums is disapointing. I hope its not a indication of how the business is run.

Your complete ignorance on most subjects you post on is one thing but the way you so often speak on behalf of the devs is just pathetic.

I know youre looking for reactions and attention from people to fill you day but this is all you will get from me on this subject.

Sad sad sad.

Port battles are fine, most of the time.

 

There's no call to trash the game on false pretenses, just because in your own limited experience some people were shooting chainshot at hulls. RvR has collapsed on PvP2 because one faction has all the power. Of course you will see some lackluster competition.

 

The constant complaining is not constructive, especially when plenty of good port battles are going on elsewhere.

[Apina]

agree on alts.

 

otherwise seems a bit poitless thread

[Loco Bandito]

There is plenty of good battles. the problem I see is when the losing side loses and starts saying hacks and shit.

 

Problem on our server is people think Pirates are OP. We have the same timber choices and boats as the enemy apart from faster reload. I dont even run the Pirate perk, dont really care about speed.

 

People have to realise maybe Pirates are good at pvp is the fact that we look for pvp. We have the whole server agaisnt us. We dont have a carebear alliance so we can sail around and do pve missions and craft. We grow up in hardcore mode. Its even on the screen when you choose your nation. Pirate is hard, US is easy.

[Sir Texas Sir]

Except when they are on your team....lol

i have no problem with this.  makes for easy kills of noobs.

 

Why is it bad? 

 

I think the other guys answered that for me pretty much.  I don't have a problem with it if you take the time to learn the mechanics of the game too.

 

Well HERE IS WHY I SAID I WISH PLAYERS KNEW MORE. These brilliant skilled captains then go into port battles ( because the ow scares them to death) and get thier asses kicked all over the map THEN come here and bitch the game is rigged, or that one faction is OP or that people are cheating.

Better yet when one gets caught in open world they do two things. 1. Run the entire fight never firing a shot while they are sunk or 2 fire chain shot with carronads way outa range untill you sink them. Then they come here and bitch per above bitching statement.

Thats all most of the people here are saying.

Dont be so upset.

 

Even worse they won't join a lopsided battle for fear of being sunk or they will run as soon as some one gets sunk.  This goes for both sides.  I seen guys run when they had 2-3 vs 1 lead on a team after the first guy or two gets sunk fast.   I also seen guys not enter a battle they could join cause the other team had more players.  Thus not helping the guys inside.  Who still end up sinking most of the other team even though out number 2-3 vs 1.   You don't learn unless you get in there and fight.

 

As been said too some of these guys think they know every thing from power level or cause they have the rank (but you can tell a lot by there born date and rank).   Than they blame every one else for there mistakes.   It can get toxic at times.  Even worse is like Loco mentions is when they start calling folks names and hacks and other things cause they don't know the game mechanics and it hurts them in battle.  (AI FLEETS IS A BIG ONE)

[The Spud]

I think allot of "lack of skill" or the impression of having "lack of skill" is having people in a battle not talking and organising in a battle. If you have 6 organised players vs 9 unorganised players its basicaly 6 vs 1 + 1 + 1 + 1... they just use 1vs1 tactics and that doesn't work, unless you maybe outnumber them 1 vs 2.

 

That being said, when I get caught in a no escape/no survive situation I usualy don't bother about how good I play or not. I'm going down anyways, might as wel try something stupid.