Time Sink Called Naval Action

[Danishviking]

Well

He is right with one thing - it does indeed takes a long time sometimes to do what you want especially if you want insta action. There are games like this (Elite for example). And this could be a problem for some in a busy world. 

 

We are addressing it with somewhat with port hostility and rookie zones. You will see where action is easier.

Also he should inquire about the Fellvred small battles club

Sorry didnt see this when i wrote last comment.  

 

When i startet to play this game there was a idear that you could sign up for fleet duty. So if a trader that payed for a fleet was attacked you would get moved to that battel to defend the trader. (or maby any ship)

 

I really liked the idear and that could help us on this problem where we cant find action. So if you wanna pvp sign up for escorting traders (or who ever wanna pay for it) and get some pvp that way.

 

That could be in limited range of ports that the nation have, maby just to even up the BR in the fight.

[Baptiste Gallouédec]

 As i have already said, what we really need is stuff to do while sailing from A to B or when waiting in a port, other than scan the horizon and look the sunsets, stuff like minigames as an option (just some ideas: minigame sailing sim, fishing, pray, cooking, playing music, finding your position, combat  or manoeuver drills for the crew, manage your crew, gear, your trading business/production buildings/shipyard/brothel etc.)

 

 I mean diversity outside naval combat (wich only needs few tunings to be right) setting sails and course in OW, selling an buying in ports. Some elements have already been added right now but as some primitive clic buttons (pray, fishing), the same thing requiring user actions (choosing the prayer, seing your captain or crew pray, assist the mass, burial rite, a minigame where you mann a fishing rod, fishing nets or hunt whales) would make time pass faster.

 

 With stuff like that i think the pace of the game will become ok for everyone and the experience more pleaseant and diverse for all kind of tastes. 

Edited October 5, 2016 by Baptiste Gallouédec

[Cmdr RideZ]

Do you know players who have tried the game and do not play it anymore because of some reason?  Ask from these friends what is not working in the game, why did they quit.  The guys who I know, and the reason why they quit..  Those reasons make sense.

 

This thread has nothing to do with fanatic players, who think "everything is awesome".  This is about increasing the size of the market sector, so that the game will get bigger player base in the end.

 

Like...

 

1. The game is too much about everything else but combat.

2. I had money to buy a ship, and I lost that, and it would take really long to get back.

3. The crew is eating all my gold.  Death penalty is ridiculous.

4. I liked the sea trials but now the game is utter crap

5. It is a fucking boring game

6. When I get my kids to sleep, I really do not have enough time to do anything in Naval Action.  It just needs way too much time.

7. I am not really interested from crafting.  It was better before when you could just capture ships and sail those.  It was more fun.

 

I cannot honestly remember all, but people really dislike where the game is going.  Good for you that you love the game, but not good for the game I believe.

 

I know already..  For example the crew cost.  It is a known fact that end game players have no issues with it.  It is also a known fact that new players are suffering and quitting the game because of this.  So the feature is broken, and your fanatic attitude is not going to make it better.

 

You can think all you want how to make a perfect game for you..  But I believe the player base is going to be too small if continued like this.  I could be wrong, true.  Still, I have a feeling that I am not wrong in this one.

 

 

But indeed, go and ask from friends who quit the game that why did they do that.  A lot more useful information than telling why you are fanatic.  Or not reading the post and not understanding the point, and answering me something about Pac-Man.

[Mrdoomed]

Do you know players who have tried the game and do not play it anymore because of some reason? Ask from these friends what is not working in the game, why did they quit. The guys who I know, and the reason why they quit.. Those reasons make sense.

This thread has nothing to do with fanatic players, who think "everything is awesome". This is about increasing the size of the market sector, so that the game will get bigger player base in the end.

Like...

1. The game is too much about everything else but combat.

2. I had money to buy a ship, and I lost that, and it would take really long to get back.

3. The crew is eating all my gold. Death penalty is ridiculous.

4. I liked the sea trials but now the game is utter crap

5. It is a fucking boring game

6. When I get my kids to sleep, I really do not have enough time to do anything in Naval Action. It just needs way too much time.

7. I am not really interested from crafting. It was better before when you could just capture ships and sail those. It was more fun.

I cannot honestly remember all, but people really dislike where the game is going. Good for you that you love the game, but not good for the game I believe.

I know already.. For example the crew cost. It is a known fact that end game players have no issues with it. It is also a known fact that new players are suffering and quitting the game because of this. So the feature is broken, and your fanatic attitude is not going to make it better.

You can think all you want how to make a perfect game for you.. But I believe the player base is going to be too small if continued like this. I could be wrong, true. Still, I have a feeling that I am not wrong in this one.

But indeed, go and ask from friends who quit the game that why did they do that. A lot more useful information than telling why you are fanatic. Or not reading the post and not understanding the point, and answering me something about Pac-Man.

8 of my 10 friends quit playing because of no cooldown teleports. It ruined submersion and thinking and real global strategy.

As far as a fanatic? Well ive been called a fanboy a naval action hater and a fanatic now. So I think im doing a perfect job testing since i seem to rub everyone wrong at some point and time.

You on the other hand trying to completely change the game in order to make it into a game that already exists called warships.

I mean every example you give sounds like a impudent spoiled child making demands of his mommy to save him.

Pac-Man also is instant action all day with no thinking involved. Try one of those.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Mrdoomed

[Konali89]

I think you are being  a bit sentimental here and there.

 

Like...

 

1. The game is too much about everything else but combat.

2. I had money to buy a ship, and I lost that, and it would take really long to get back.

3. The crew is eating all my gold.  Death penalty is ridiculous.

4. I liked the sea trials but now the game is utter crap

5. It is a fucking boring game

6. When I get my kids to sleep, I really do not have enough time to do anything in Naval Action.  It just needs way too much time.

7. I am not really interested from crafting.  It was better before when you could just capture ships and sail those.  It was more fun.

1. Pure combat along can be awesome, but repetitive as hell. Your playing style might want the fast paced instantaneous combat. But we have seen in the past that pure combat alone is not good for the game either. We had Sea trials and yes while it was extremely fun, the player numbers there dropped just as hard as this OW version. Difference being here you can have multiple ways of having combat.

2. money can go fast indeed. But if you know what you are doing you can make millions a day, even in 2 hours a day. 

3. see 2.

4. I see this reason alot. And yes i did like Sea trials but been playing this OW version from the beginning tells me one thing. Arena combat mode is losing. We used to have trafalgars and large battles , now that is a glimpse of what we used to have. Sea trials player numbers dropped so hard that it would have needed a mayor overhaul and then still who knows. One thing i do know is, with an OW players have the oppertunity to sail and chase, it might not attract you but i like it from time to time. And if needed we can still jump into large or small battles. So utter crap, nah that is bullocks.

5. It can be boring yes, but what game isnt if you have played it long enough. Good thing here is, we will see content and more features but in a steady pace.

6. NA can take up alot of your time whitout really having the feeling you have done something i agree there. But i think that is also because we are lacking player numbers at the moment.

7. Crafting needs an overhaul for sure. Everyone sails the exceptional ships it is just stupid. But whether it was better without crafting, i honestly dont know. 

 

You seem to talk alot for " the people". Your reasons to quit have alot of counter reasons aswell. I fully agree that NA CAN be time consuming and not rewarding, but right now we live in a phase where people are waiting for the patch and content updates.

 

I would like to see stimulations for increased combat in the following way:

 

-  Trafalgars  : they need to be epic again, for all i care make it a weekend event and give out paint jobs or dead man chests to the winning team. But we need this back.

-  Large and small battles: These features are cool, but not always used much. It is sad that this is the case. But they need to be different than the OW. Maybe exchangeable rewards who knows. 

 

I really want trafalgars back

[Mrdoomed]

I think you are being a bit sentimental here and there.

1. Pure combat along can be awesome, but repetitive as hell. Your playing style might want the fast paced instantaneous combat. But we have seen in the past that pure combat alone is not good for the game either. We had Sea trials and yes while it was extremely fun, the player numbers there dropped just as hard as this OW version. Difference being here you can have multiple ways of having combat.

2. money can go fast indeed. But if you know what you are doing you can make millions a day, even in 2 hours a day.

3. see 2.

4. I see this reason alot. And yes i did like Sea trials but been playing this OW version from the beginning tells me one thing. Arena combat mode is losing. We used to have trafalgars and large battles , now that is a glimpse of what we used to have. Sea trials player numbers dropped so hard that it would have needed a mayor overhaul and then still who knows. One thing i do know is, with an OW players have the oppertunity to sail and chase, it might not attract you but i like it from time to time. And if needed we can still jump into large or small battles. So utter crap, nah that is bullocks.

5. It can be boring yes, but what game isnt if you have played it long enough. Good thing here is, we will see content and more features but in a steady pace.

6. NA can take up alot of your time whitout really having the feeling you have done something i agree there. But i think that is also because we are lacking player numbers at the moment.

7. Crafting needs an overhaul for sure. Everyone sails the exceptional ships it is just stupid. But whether it was better without crafting, i honestly dont know.

You seem to talk alot for " the people". Your reasons to quit have alot of counter reasons aswell. I fully agree that NA CAN be time consuming and not rewarding, but right now we live in a phase where people are waiting for the patch and content updates.

I would like to see stimulations for increased combat in the following way:

- Trafalgars : they need to be epic again, for all i care make it a weekend event and give out paint jobs or dead man chests to the winning team. But we need this back.

- Large and small battles: These features are cool, but not always used much. It is sad that this is the case. But they need to be different than the OW. Maybe exchangeable rewards who knows.

I really want trafalgars back

Thank you for saying what im tired of trying to explain.

I personally dont care for trafalgar style battles but then again im a " real acting pirate" but back before no cooldown teleports when people had to acually sail everywhere they would always travel in groups and when those groups hit each other there was a huge fight.

I was constantly comming across massive battles along trade routes and or areas people where moving to.

I know i lost the argument over teleports but if the developers figure a way to get people back to sailing here and there we will see massive fleet battles agsin.

[Jack Jones]

Do you know players who have tried the game and do not play it anymore because of some reason?  Ask from these friends what is not working in the game, why did they quit.  The guys who I know, and the reason why they quit..  Those reasons make sense.

 

This thread has nothing to do with fanatic players, who think "everything is awesome".  This is about increasing the size of the market sector, so that the game will get bigger player base in the end.

 

Like...

 

1. The game is too much about everything else but combat.

2. I had money to buy a ship, and I lost that, and it would take really long to get back.

3. The crew is eating all my gold.  Death penalty is ridiculous.

4. I liked the sea trials but now the game is utter crap

5. It is a fucking boring game

6. When I get my kids to sleep, I really do not have enough time to do anything in Naval Action.  It just needs way too much time.

7. I am not really interested from crafting.  It was better before when you could just capture ships and sail those.  It was more fun.

 

I cannot honestly remember all, but people really dislike where the game is going.  Good for you that you love the game, but not good for the game I believe.

 

I know already..  For example the crew cost.  It is a known fact that end game players have no issues with it.  It is also a known fact that new players are suffering and quitting the game because of this.  So the feature is broken, and your fanatic attitude is not going to make it better.

 

You can think all you want how to make a perfect game for you..  But I believe the player base is going to be too small if continued like this.  I could be wrong, true.  Still, I have a feeling that I am not wrong in this one.

 

 

But indeed, go and ask from friends who quit the game that why did they do that.  A lot more useful information than telling why you are fanatic.  Or not reading the post and not understanding the point, and answering me something about Pac-Man.

Really....you need another game. This one is not for you. If I felt like you I would search for a game that makes you happy.

I have found one and I am not a fanatic.

[fox2run]

Really....you need another game. This one is not for you. If I felt like you I would search for a game that makes you happy.

I have found one and I am not a fanatic.

 

This attitude is widespread among a lot of players. Now we have only 1/5 of the previous player base active. Its not good enough. This is a development phase and we need to improve this games outreach. Otherwise there will be no game.

[Mrdoomed]

This attitude is widespread among a lot of players. Now we have only 1/5 of the previous player base active. Its not good enough. This is a development phase and we need to improve this games outreach. Otherwise there will be no game.

Yes you and 2 other people is " wide spread ".

Ive ask you a dozen times a question that you will not answer so just for the hell of it ill ask again.

How do you play? What is your play style? Where and when do you play? Where do you have ports?

I keep asking this because you claim over and over that you neve find " anyone to fight" same as whats his face. You and the others claim that it takes UP TO EIGHT HOURS ( which is insanity) to find a good fight. So since you all play on Gods chosen server and cant seem to manage a battle and i play in Satan's playground server and find a fight within minutes I want to know what youndo different than i do.

I know you wont answere but its worth a shot.

[fox2run]

Yes you and 2 other people is " wide spread ".

Ive ask you a dozen times a question that you will not answer so just for the hell of it ill ask again.

How do you play? What is your play style? Where and when do you play? Where do you have ports?

I keep asking this because you claim over and over that you neve find " anyone to fight" same as whats his face. You and the others claim that it takes UP TO EIGHT HOURS ( which is insanity) to find a good fight. So since you all play on Gods chosen server and cant seem to manage a battle and i play in Satan's playground server and find a fight within minutes I want to know what youndo different than i do.

I know you wont answere but its worth a shot.

 

Its not me m8. Its the 80% who is no longer here...

[Mrdoomed]

Its not me m8. Its the 80% who is no longer here...

Thanks again for proving me right by NOT answering the question. Youre very predictable mate.

I can guess your playstyle. After doing pve missions till top level you got a first rate and now sit in port waiting for someone to come close enough to you to gank.

No wonder youre bored mate but you already know that.

I think warshils or Pac-Man is your game mate.

[Cmdr RideZ]

What if you guys, would actually read what I write.  Then process the information you read, and answer.

[Mrdoomed]

What if you guys, would actually read what I write. Then process the information you read, and answer.

No offense mate but ive read everything you said , more than once to make sure i read it right.

You are wanting to completely change the game into another game all together ( hence the go play warships reference ) and not trying to test the game they are building.

You want sea trial ( warships again) which is and was NOT intended to be the entire game. People have made suggestions on how to make your experience more fun but you refuse to listen but instead demand the game be completely dismantled and made to fit the way you play ( again warships) which is a online battle arena ( yes warships).

Im not going to keep going because i know you and fox2run dont really care you just wamt to bitch.

How about you go read all the suggestions people make about how to find action etc instead of telling us to read your messages.

Or go play warships or Pac-Man.

[Cmdr RideZ]

As it is very difficult for some to understand "my" english, I will explicitly state here.

 

1. I like the game

2. I am not speaking from myself

3. I speak from other people who have quit

4. I asked what are the issues

5. I think the market sector the game is targeted to, will be too narrow

6. May cause issues to the player base, it may not stay healthy long enough

7. Harder for game to get money, and keep it in development

8. I think some amount of compromises maybe needed to reach broader audience

9. Later in other posts I wrote some of the reasons that made some people to quit, those are some, not all the reasons I have heard

10. I have everything in the game that I want to have, which means ~everything + more

11. I have heard issues from players who are new to game.  The fun factor has radically decreased from time when I was in their boots

12. I try to understand and speak for guys who quit the game already, and I think devs should as well

Edited October 5, 2016 by Cmdr RideZ

[Jack Jones]

If you guys can not find a fight for long periods then why not?

Every night I fight and I run and I fight again and I trade and I build and etc etc etc.

Sail a smaller ship, you will fight more than you can handle.

No point if you don't try.

[fox2run]

Thanks again for proving me right by NOT answering the question. Youre very predictable mate.

I can guess your playstyle. After doing pve missions till top level you got a first rate and now sit in port waiting for someone to come close enough to you to gank.

No wonder youre bored mate but you already know that.

I think warshils or Pac-Man is your game mate.

 

Well. Once Again you are completely mistaken on what kind of player I am. I did only a handfull of PVE-missions on my way to top rank. Almost only PvP. I do not dislike many of the features but I have seen the fun factor decline.

 

Less players now.

 

Less tactics in battles (close range cannonade shoot fest). 

 

Players surrender quick after long sailing to find a lonely sailor.

 

No possibilities to help players as before. That was good for the social immersion of the game.

 

An easier way to find PvP would be good.

[Bartholomew.E.Dogg]

I must be playing a different game as I invariably find some sort of PvP action, in fact some sessions recently sailing around Jamaica it's been non stop PvP.  The only time I'm not likely to find PvP action is if I sail from my outpost in central america in the morning (server time) when there are no more than 200 online, and that would be a deliberate choice to have a safe trader journey.

[The Spud]

I think that the new contested area war mechanic is a step in the right direction. If an area has 4 ports, and each PB is announced 2 days in advance, thats at least 8 days of PvP in one area. Thats an area that will be like carlisle to Port Antonio, thats like 10 to 15 minute sail. Thats a small area where you know people will show up, and they will show up organised and in numbers.

 

Port Battles, we'll now probably have no more then one going on at the same time, no more of those fake flags having 50% of the fleet going to port A the others at port B. Nobody needs to stay behind to guard a possible pull on a timer that is open. Every single ship can head up there and just screen or do the battle. I hope we can bring back some of those massive Port battle actions with massive screening fleets on both sides,

 

I think this will change the gameplay allot in a good way for both those looking for a faster gameplay, and those who like the more sim way of the game.

Hopefully the devs manage to put out the patch soon, so we can give ourselves an excuse to put in hat extra hour of Naval Action.

[Mrdoomed]

I must be playing a different game as I invariably find some sort of PvP action, in fact some sessions recently sailing around Jamaica it's been non stop PvP. The only time I'm not likely to find PvP action is if I sail from my outpost in central america in the morning (server time) when there are no more than 200 online, and that would be a deliberate choice to have a safe trader journey.

Yed fox2run and his group are either not playing naval action or they just sit in port instead of playing. And they play on Gods chosen server which has all the people i hear.

I too play on the low population server and have to go out of my way to avoid a fight.

Those guys are playing a wierd game for sure.

[Cmdr RideZ]

I must be playing a different game as I invariably find some sort of PvP action, in fact some sessions recently sailing around Jamaica it's been non stop PvP.

As I said, I think the Jamaica is a huge issue.  It makes no sense that you have to be at Jamaica.  I soon know every tree that grows on that island.  -> Something is broken.

 

...

 

What happened to players that silently vanished from the game?  They never said anything, they just left to play some other games.

 

A perfect example is the crew cost...

 

Veteran player does not even notice the crew costs.

New player has hard time getting forward in the game.

 

Veteran player says on the forum that the crew cost is ok.

New player left the game already.

 

Perfectly broken feature.

[Jack Jones]

Crew cost is horrendous but in real life ships struck their colours long before they had ALL their crew killed.

Captains fight for far to long

I got demasted by a skilful player whose technique is demast and stern camp the crew to death. Common really.

I lost my sails. I struck my colours and saved my crew.

Result= realistic battle. Minimal cost.

Play the game like it's a real and it really does work.

Edited October 6, 2016 by Blue Tooth

[fox2run]

Crew cost is horrendous but in real life ships struck their colours long before they had ALL their crew killed.

Captains fight for far to long

I got demanded by a skilful player whose technique is demist and stern camp.

I lost my sails. I struck my colours and saved my crew.

Result= realistic battle. No cost.

 

Yes. Its realistic to surrender as in real life. But realism does not mean fun. A fight to the end where ship blow up, capsizes and sink while players try to avoid disaster is a lot more FUN than hunting a trader for 30 min until a tagging shot misses and he escapes into a battlescreen. Or a pirate fleet gank someone, he calls for help but you arrive to "battle is closed". Wait for the pirates to come out and the tag-hunt is starting all over. Its not fun. Face it.

[Vernon Merrill]

Wrong.   For a good many of us, realism=fun.

 

Again, for SOME OF US, half of the battle takes place in the 20 seconds before the battle instance begins.

 

There will ALWAYS be a line that the devs have to walk between REALISM and GAME PLAY.  Certain things, like ROE and tagging just make this more obvious.

[Cmdr RideZ]

Ok...  Now there are 2 posts...  Realism = fun.

 

So you agree with me that we should make the game ironman only?  Realism = Fun, right?  You die, well, you die, right?

 

We could make it so that we do not have OW sailing at all?  All is done in the same sailing mode as combat.  Takes days irl time to sail from place to another.  Realism = Fun, right?

 

Some people want more realistic than others.  What is a correct amount of realism?  Probably some kind of compromise?

 

 

edit...

 

Oh indeed.  We can probably all agree that realism is not actually fun, right?

Edited October 6, 2016 by Cmdr RideZ

[Mrdoomed]

Ok... Now there are 2 posts... Realism = fun.

So you agree with me that we should make the game ironman only? Realism = Fun, right? You die, well, you die, right?

We could make it so that we do not have OW sailing at all? All is done in the same sailing mode as combat. Takes days irl time to sail from place to another. Realism = Fun, right?

Some people want more realistic than others. What is a correct amount of realism? Probably some kind of compromise?

edit...

Oh indeed. We can probably all agree that realism is not actually fun, right?

Ha ha ha ha ok youre a troll . Ok i was freaking out thinking you was real and acually thought like that.

Now that i know youre trolling ill put you in same box as fox2run lol.

Nice work you had me going lol.