the L'Oceans 36's

[Sgt.Barnes]

So, the more i look at the 36 longs and mediums that the L'Ocean can equip the more I think....whats the point, are they "special"?  the longs have a 1 second quicker reload than the 42's have 7 less pen at 50m and do 1 less damage.  Whats the point???

[SteelSandwich]

It's historically more accurate.

 

The 36-pounder is a very commonly used canon amongst the french and dutch (also the danes but don't quote me on that).

[Sgt.Barnes]

It's historically more accurate.

 

The 36-pounder is a very commonly used canon amongst the french and dutch (also the danes but don't quote me on that).

 

I guess if its a historical thing then I cant make too much fuss over it, seeing as this is a game all about it .  nonetheless wouldn't it make more sense to prohibit it from using 42's?  or was it not exempt from use.

[SteelSandwich]

I guess if its a historical thing then I cant make too much fuss over it, seeing as this is a game all about it .  nonetheless wouldn't it make more sense to prohibit it from using 42's?  or was it not exempt from use.

Again, don't quote me on this, but i reckon they will 'limit' those ships to not be able to carry 42's. Yet with the current canon classes 1-9 (with there being 2 class 1 canons) they might need to adjust some stuff.

[delaine]

cant wait to use the 36s on me buc tbh

[Kloothommel]

Actually 36 french pounds = 40 British pounds. So much close to 42 pounds than you might think.

 

It is a common mistake. It is quite a pity the devs made this one too.

 

Just like napoleon's length was measured in French feet, which were longer that Brit feet. So well...

Edited August 23, 2016 by Kloothommel

[delaine]

maybe however sence it used 36s french 36s none the less may as well stick to what she used historically sure the 42s are nice but eh i aint seeing it at the moment

[Cragger]

Actually 36 french pounds = 40 British pounds. So much close to 42 pounds than you might think.

 

It is a common mistake. It is quite a pity the devs made this one too.

 

Just like napoleon's length was measured in French feet, which were longer that Brit feet. So well...

 

36 livre = 38.8lb actually

[BungeeLemming]

Actually 36 french pounds = 40 British pounds. So much close to 42 pounds than you might think.

 

It is a common mistake. It is quite a pity the devs made this one too.

I didnt check for the 35s stats but I can imagine they dont do a lot less dmge and have only a slight reload advantage over the 42s we have atm.

 

Also:

would you liked to have a 38.8pd gun ngame?

 

Personally I hope for a 36pd(fr) distinction. So that ppl see that this gun is not worse than the 42s. pl will be confused anyways.

[The Spud]

I think I read somewhere on this forum that the 42's were only introduced in a later era of the age of sail, and that for the biggest part 32's were used as biggest guns? Did the French have in general heavier guns then the British ships, or was the french 36 the alternative to the brits 42's?

[Sir Texas Sir]

cant wait to use the 36s on me buc tbh

They can only be used on one ship and it's not the Buc

[BungeeLemming]

Its the way you define your units, LanderD.

 

the french pound is 1,078 british pound. sounds little but it actually is quite a bit.

It means that a french 36pd is 38,8british pd. A french 24pd weights about 25,9 british pd. etc..

 

The french never used 42pd in the time of Naval Action. (I dont know if they ever did but I am no expert on that so I say: during thisgame's period they didnt use 42s)

The british used 42s on some rare ocations such as the victory at some point in her career. (beeing downgraded to 32s later on)

 

But high caliber means you need a lot of men to effectively use the guns.

Brits therefore preferec the 32s which had good enough reload capabilities in comparism to their punch.

Mind you they downgraded quite a few ships from 24pd mid gundeck to 18pd mid gundeck due to better and more sustainable reload times. Men get exhaustet during long fights.

 

In conclution the brits thought that bigger des not equal better.

 

If you compare 3rd rates between the nations:

brits used a 32/18/9pd configuration.

french got 36/18/9pd in their standart 3rd rate during the 18th century.

 

naturally the french had quite a greater armament.

 

 

edit:

ocean's armament was 32x36pd/ 34x24pd/ 34x12pd/ 24x8pd (well it was a mix of 8pd ans 36pd carros)

I think if you used 42s instead of 36s she would be a little bit on the heavy side..

same theoretically goes for the santisima trinidad which also used 36 instead of the ingame's 42s

[D. Federico de Gravina y N]

the french 36lbs guns are the same that the spanish, so the Santisima must carry the same guns than L´Ocean:

 

En 1797 (4 cubiertas) En 1805 (Trafalgar)* 32 cañones de a 36
34 de a 24
36 de a 12
18 de a 8
10 obuses de a 24
4 obuses de 4
En total 134 bocas de fuego (130 en combate) 32 Cañones de a 36
34 Cañones de a 24
36 Cañones de a 12
18 Cañones de a 8
16 Obuses de a 24
4 Obuses de a 4
Total: 140 (136 en combate)

 

http://www.todoababor.es/listado/navio-santisimatrinidad2.htm

Edited August 23, 2016 by Don Alejandro De C. y M.

[OlavDeng2]

the french 36lbs guns are the same that the spanish, so the Santisima must carry the same guns than L´Ocean:

 

En 1797 (4 cubiertas) En 1805 (Trafalgar)* 32 cañones de a 36

34 de a 24

36 de a 12

18 de a 8

10 obuses de a 24

4 obuses de 4

En total 134 bocas de fuego (130 en combate) 32 Cañones de a 36

34 Cañones de a 24

36 Cañones de a 12

18 Cañones de a 8

16 Obuses de a 24

4 Obuses de a 4

Total: 140 (136 en combate)

 

http://www.todoababor.es/listado/navio-santisimatrinidad2.htm

Im sure that in time all the ships in game that carried 36pd will have their 42pd replaced by 36pd

 

the ships being of course Pavel, Bucentaure, Santi.

[Mighty_Alex]

I think 42-pounders should be removed entirely and used only in forts. Only Victory was armed with them, and they were later replaced with 32-pounders. Nations that used 36 pounders (France, Spain, Russia, Denmark, Dutch Republic) had almost the same standard artillery pound (0.49 kg) which was heavier than the british one (0.45 kg) So, as other people mentioned, 36-pounders should be like 39-pounders.

[BungeeLemming]

Constitution once in her lifetime used 42lb carronades.

ingame she has them

nuff said

[LeBoiteux]

Constitution once in her lifetime used 42lb carronades.

ingame she has them

nuff said

 

Do not dare to touch Bungee's toy ! 

[BungeeLemming]

In EA my biggest ships I sailed are pavel and bucentaure.

 

But I am sick of the discussion why this ship should have this armament and the other instead lives with something similar to what ppl dont like on other vessels.

 

So I get the hammer out. Many ppl like their constis. And they dont want to have her downgraded in no way^^

[The Spud]

Reminds me of a discussion some years ago in another game, Red Orchestra 2 Heroes of Stalingrad, about the weapon Mbk42. People said it was historicaly incorrect to have it in game as it was not a common weapon at that time, and there was no recordings of it being in Stalingrad. But several divisions were giving several of these for testing, so the devs concluded that in theory it would have been possible for someone to be equiped with it in Stalingrad, so they decided to keep it in game.

 

In my opinion we should apply the same to Naval Action, if the ship was ever fitted with a type of cannon, even if it was only for one mission, then it should be in game as in theory you could have encountered the ship with that armament.

Even if it was rare, if it was fitted once it means they could fit it again whenever they wanted to, so if you as a captain want to refit it with 42's you should be able.
 

But if the charging of the 42 pounders was such a problem that they chose to drop the extra firepower for easier charging, we might consider to do the same in game?

[LeBoiteux]

In EA my biggest ships I sailed are pavel and bucentaure.

 

But I am sick of the discussion why this ship should have this armament and the other instead lives with something similar to what ppl dont like on other vessels.

 

So I get the hammer out. Many ppl like their constis. And they dont want to have her downgraded in no way^^

I've got nothing against the Consti, nor about her armament. I love sinking some from time to time.

And I've got no knowledge about what her armament should be or not.

 

However, any questioning about something that has so much impact on gameplay as armament might be legitimate.

From my view, when it comes to armament, devs often seem to have favored the exception, the higher end (of a ship class), the "once on her lifetime", often filling all ports and so on, which is a legitimate choice of game design / gameplay (firepower favor epic combats) but I guess that players are entitled to speak of it.

 

The latest example of that type is to me the WIP picture of the Hermione showing on tester shard 30 + 16 (on QD) = 46 guns, whereas she seems to have been commissioned IRL with only 26 x 12-pdr + 6 x 6-pdr = 34 guns. I guess but I might be wrong that it'd make quite a difference if 46 were her ingame armament.

[Snoopy]

There is nothing magical or out of the ordinary for Victory to carry 42s. She, like all British first rates before 1790 were designed for that weapon, and Victory carried it for decades.

It is cool to see a 36livres gun, even though it is largely cosmetics, 42 pound guns being so close to 36 livres.

[Sinbad]

The L'Ocean could also carry 18pdr's on the weather deck,instead of 12's

 

[it is interesting to note that though these ships were costly, their design changed to become even larger in terms of overall tonnage with the introduction of the Impérial in 1803. Mounting 18 pound cannon on her third gun deck (unheard of in French three-decked ships of the period), she would set the example for all of the French 118 gun ships to follow]

 

http://sailsofglory.org/showthread.php?1548-Oc%E9an-class-ship-of-the-line

Edited August 26, 2016 by Sinbad

[SheepDip]

I still have not seen one , anywhere .....

[Fuzzyhead12]

Constitution once in her lifetime used 42lb carronades.

ingame she has them

nuff said

you forgot she was arned on the whole weatherdeck lenght for some time, but the few in the middel were removed because they were simply to heavy and aperently created a high stress for the ship