Pirate v pirate ability being used a by nat alts to pin pirate team members

[Bach]

This has occured more than once involving what I think is a swedish alt pirate named Salzi.

 

Basically he gets into the pirate group close in and makes a tag on another pirate. Then the rest of the swedish can jump in on his side at close range. Or he pins the pirate into the battle so the swedes can surrouund the pirate outside the battle.

 

This opens up for huge exploit potential and all any nation need to do is assign a pirate alt charate to key ports and they gain the ability to control the battles with pirates. Pirates can not do much about it as if we attck the alt swedish pirate only one ship can fight. So you have to let him sail along side you till he tags.  I challenge Salzi is a swede who discovered this potential and is using it to advantage the swedish team, his real team, over pirates.

 

This whole thing could be neutralized, somewhat, if a pirate making a pirate on pirate tag was not allowed any assistance on his side. But I can see a future where more hard core players will create pirate alts to take advantage of this mechanic as Salzi has discovered.

Edited August 14, 2016 by Bach

[Skully]

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/15499-pirates-attacking-other-pirates/?p=294590

Until such time, declare your intentions and open fire. Bring prayers (and screenshots).

[Salzi]

As the defendant - I used no tricks or dishonourable tactics in the engagment of the 5 ships that was trying to engage Z4ys of OCEAN and Sweden.

 

I was at port when I was requested assistance of pursuers of the Clan that I am under employ and paid to defend Island Harbour and the Swedish nationals under contract of privateering payment of 800,000 gold per term.

The wind was South West to North East making it hard to come to port, I was stopped and tagged them at max range, they continued to persue and thus I was forced to engage in combat with those that followed, five ships in all Two Supprise class frigates, One Renomee Class frigate, One Las Gros Ventrue Trader most likly set with boarding crews to jump unsuspecting fellows on the seas and a support ship of a Mercuary.

 

First thing I hear from them is an insult but that is to be expected of the lawless fellows, they continued to engage me and my fellow Supprise Captained by Z4ys Two verses Five however the odds where not as shaky as the enemy!

After overpenitrating one of the supprise seriously wounding one supprise and putting a fair good amount of leaks in the hull of another they begain to retreat! They had fast movers as expected, I could not trail in my slow and heavy Trincomalee class frigate as she was built to fight men of the seas.

 

A max range engagment is not foul play, also why limit players more when those limits should be loosened to give people more freedom for joining and fighting battles for the side they want to fight for?

 

Good day. - PS Screenshot coming along side.

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/15499-pirates-attacking-other-pirates/?p=294590

Until such time, declare your intentions and open fire. Bring prayers (and screenshots).

 

It was not same side friendly fire I engaged them thus they as was I where fighting two differant sides - PS Welcome back hope you have a nice vacation.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2016 by Salzi

[Bach]

As the defendant - I used no tricks or dishonourable tactics in the engagment of the 5 ships that was trying to engage Z4ys of OCEAN and Sweden.

 

I was at port when I was requested assistance of pursuers of the Clan that I am under employ and paid to defend Island Harbour and the Swedish nationals under contract of privateering payment of 800,000 gold per term.

The wind was South West to North East making it hard to come to port, I was stopped and tagged them at max range, they continued to persue and thus I was forced to engage in combat with those that followed, five ships in all Two Supprise class frigates, One Renomee Class frigate, One Las Gros Ventrue Trader most likly set with boarding crews to jump unsuspecting fellows on the seas and a support ship of a Mercuary.

 

First thing I hear from them is an insult but that is to be expected of the lawless fellows, they continued to engage me and my fellow Supprise Captained by Z4ys Two verses Five however the odds where not as shaky as the enemy!

After overpenitrating one of the supprise seriously wounding one supprise and putting a fair good amount of leaks in the hull of another they begain to retreat! They had fast movers as expected, I could not trail in my slow and heavy Trincomalee class frigate as she was built to fight men of the seas.

 

A max range engagment is not foul play, also why limit players more when those limits should be loosened to give people more freedom for joining and fighting battles for the side they want to fight for?

 

Good day. - PS Screenshot coming along side.

 

It was not same side friendly fire I engaged them thus they as was I where fighting two differant sides - PS Welcome back hope you have a nice vacation.

You neglected to mention the follow through where the battle was completely surrounded by the Swedes on exit. Even a max range tag still allows this. Your not doing it because it isn't an advantage. No matter how you want to spin it it is NOT in the spirit of the game. when we first saw you tag us we thought you accidentally tagged us instead of the swede. So we continued to sail forward. Either way you accomplish the goal of setting us up for the Swedish fleet teleporting into the free port. It's low class play using a mechanic to trap us. Had you actually been sailing a Swedish ship that would have been an entirely different encounter. You are specific using a pirate alt to generate those mechanic results.

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/15499-pirates-attacking-other-pirates/?p=294590

Until such time, declare your intentions and open fire. Bring prayers (and screenshots).

Probably the best thing in the end is to just remove the pirate v pirate mechanic. It's just not worth the hassle on various issues.

[Salzi]

Considering at Island harbour there was OCEAN - meanwhile another member of your came as well as GAF and some other pirates you still out numbered us by far, I know you can not stand fighting without 5v1 odds but our 2 to your 3 odds in numbers and less than 1500 br than you....  that was far more unfair than our own, let alone the fact I cant join those battles on the side of the sweds.

You out gun and numbered us why are you complaining? I even said sorry to you and your members with you inside the battle which I keep true.

 

Once in the battle you let your Ego take control and threw insults and mocking about me having to purchase another trinc, upon which I do not have too since you can not even fight in a 5v2 situation Sir, more than an advantage in a gentlemans game for your own side.

 

I wish you Good day Sir.

 

From Ex-Koto Second in Command, Current leader of NEKO, Ex-Govenor of Frozen Cay and Captain of The Gherkin(Pickle), SwiftSpear(Renomee) and The Brick(Trincomalee).

- Salzi.

[Bach]

Considering at Island harbour there was OCEAN - meanwhile another member of your came as well as GAF and some other pirates you still out numbered us by far, I know you can not stand fighting without 5v1 odds but our 2 to your 3 odds in numbers and less than 1500 br than you....  that was far more unfair than our own, let alone the fact I cant join those battles on the side of the sweds.

You out gun and numbered us why are you complaining? I even said sorry to you and your members with you inside the battle which I keep true.

 

Once in the battle you let your Ego take control and threw insults and mocking about me having to purchase another trinc, upon which I do not have too since you can not even fight in a 5v2 situation Sir, more than an advantage in a gentlemans game for your own side.

 

I wish you Good day Sir.

 

From Ex-Koto Second in Command, Current leader of NEKO, Ex-Govenor of Frozen Cay and Captain of The Gherkin(Pickle), SwiftSpear(Renomee) and The Brick(Trincomalee).

- Salzi.

Because it is cross teaming and many of us saw first hand what cross teaming did to destroy POTBS playability as a game. By your logic there is nothing wrong with you jumping into a port battle simply with the purpose of taking up slots to leverage the Swedes over pirates. If you can justify it on the open sea it's the same justification in a PB. How do I know how far your cross teaming will go? By virtue of just doing it you are already outside game controls. As long as you can use a pirate alt to leverage a national position it is still cross teaming. This stuff destroyed POTBS.

[Salzi]

Because it is cross teaming and many of us saw first hand what cross teaming did to destroy POTBS playability as a game. By your logic there is nothing wrong with you jumping into a port battle simply with the purpose of taking up slots to leverage the Swedes over pirates. If you can justify it on the open sea it's the same justification in a PB. How do I know how far your cross teaming will go? By virtue of just doing it you are already outside game controls. As long as you can use a pirate alt to leverage a national position it is still cross teaming. This stuff destroyed POTBS.

 

You dont understand I signed a contract, I have also spoken to the respected clans of the Pirates telling them I shall not abuse my position when it comes to conquest, I also told them I shall only attack pirates in defencive terms as such of you being in swedish waters at island Harbour attempting to Gank swedish players. 

Port battles and open world are not to be compared, I have been playing NA far longer then you (or maybe you are the alt?) it seems and is not my fault if you dont get information like everyone else.

 

End of the day I am paid, I am a privateer and so are you. Mechanics are restricting, no privateering mechanic in-game currently but I do not see why I should be punished for attacking you in open world.

 

Sorry you could not reply with "well played" or any courteous response to you escaping the battle.

If anything you are the reason i fight pirates willingly as they have degraded to insulting and dishonest behaviours such as your own, learn to lose, learn to be nice...

 

From Ex-Koto Second in Command, Current leader of NEKO, Ex-Govenor of Frozen Cay and Captain of The Gherkin(Pickle), SwiftSpear(Renomee) and The Brick(Trincomalee).

- Salzi.

[SteelSandwich]

We are removing pirates attacking pirates or nations attacking nations in the next patch

We know some players will be upset - but this is going to be a good change going forward. Especially taking into account potential outlaws introduction in the future. Alliances and one nation status (even for pirates) have to be enforced. 

 

Nations and pirates will still be able to attack smugglers freely

Quote from admin.

 

With that in mind, tribunal locked.