Testing Studding Sails and Extra Staysails

[qw569😳]

It's quite hard to determine how exactly two in game modules Studding Sails and Extra Staysails effect speed of the ship.

I took out Bellona and tested both of these modules, results you can see on the video.

 

 

It would be interesting to see what effects these mods have on other ships, but mods are permanent and non-craftable.

Does anyone know how to find out exact degrees of the ship direction in battle besides inaccurate 15 degree increments?

 

Thanks Aphilas for help to translate from Russian to English.

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В игре есть два модуля Studding Sails и Extra Staysails, но как они влияют на скорость трудно представить. Я взял Bellona и протестировал два этих модуля.

Было бы интересно посмотреть работу этих модулей на других кораблях, но модули перманентные да и еще не крафтятся.

Может кто-нибудь подскажет как точно узнать направление движения корабля в игре?

[Vernon Merrill]

Awesome!  thanks for this.

[Bulwyf]

Good stuff, but whats the effect of both? and if running upwind?

[Crayon]

I can confirm the speed increase for a connie. While I cannot provide screenshots like OP has I tested them on a connie. I observed similar results where the connie (rated 11.57) achieved a speed of 11.8.

[qw569😳]

Good stuff, but whats the effect of both? and if running upwind?

It's very intresting.

I ready to test, but haven't modules.

 

Don't understand why ship with Extra Staysails is slower than without it in upwind (close hauled).

[z4ys]

It's very intresting.

I ready to test, but haven't modules.

 

Don't understand why ship with Extra Staysails is slower than without it in upwind (close hauled).

 for me it looks like that the angle isnt always the same. So thats why you got some strange results.

 

But overall you can see:

Staysails = faster upwind

Studding sails = faster downwind + penalty upwind

Edited August 11, 2016 by z4ys

[SeaMist]

Interesting the way these are working. They are permanent upgrades but as I understand their actual use they should not be permanently employed. They would have been used as required, not kept on when they would reduce speed.

[admin]

 

 

Don't understand why ship with Extra Staysails is slower than without it in upwind (close hauled).

 

 

theoretically the flow of wind between the main sails is obstructed more (less wing effect) if you have more staysails. 

so could be explained by a lot less power to main sails but not enough bonus to push from staysails.

[Taranis]

Really cool test....  one would however notice that studding sails would normally be taken down when close hauling and thus a ship should not have a speed debuff versus the base case.  As an upgrade, this one should not turn into a penalty.  Granted, it would take time to take down the yards and studding sails, so the speed debuff should be in effect for a transition time.

[qw569😳]

theoretically the flow of wind between the main sails is obstructed more (less wing effect) if you have more staysails. 

so could be explained by a lot less power to main sails but not enough bonus to push from staysails.

imho

If it's true then description of extra staysails module must have string "MAST_PHYSICS_MAIN_SAIL_FORCE_BONUS" with negative value.

[maturin]

Really cool test....  one would however notice that studding sails would normally be taken down when close hauling and thus a ship should not have a speed debuff versus the base case.  As an upgrade, this one should not turn into a penalty.  Granted, it would take time to take down the yards and studding sails, so the speed debuff should be in effect for a transition time.

Upgrades and perks are generally a big realism blindspot in this game, for better or for worse.

[sveno]

Thank you for your work, was really informative!

[William Livingston Alden]

both Upgrades are not realy working as they should and both updates together on a ship is the worst thing you can do.

[Thonys]

i think the gain of speed is to little (0.1 knots for all that extra sail) 

but that s just my opinion

 

1.5 knots would preferable for a full upgrade

[admin]

both Upgrades are not realy working as they should and both updates together on a ship is the worst thing you can do.

 

what do you mean?

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

i think the gain of speed is to little (0.1 knots for all that extra sail) 

but that s just my opinion

 

1.5 knots would preferable for a full upgrade

 

That would be wowowowow hang yer mules son.... given we can already pump raiders flying over 16 knots at best wind and 11 at not so good wind... which is very much the result of stacking every single piece of gear and perks.

 

So with 1.5 on top... lololol

[ZenTex]

theoretically the flow of wind between the main sails is obstructed more (less wing effect) if you have more staysails. 

so could be explained by a lot less power to main sails but not enough bonus to push from staysails.

 

While I can understand studding sails would obstruct the flow to the staysails, I doubt the opposite is true for extra staysails. In the downwind courses where mainsails matter, the staysails whould hang limp anyway.

[Tyrdael]

And there is one ship wich completely profits from studding sails:

 

the Santisima. Its stay- and jibsails are so worthless, you wont even feel the penalty for the force applied to them. Studding sails even help you tack a bit faster in a square rigger.

 

My usual testing without tedious spreadsheets:

 

optimal point of sail until max speed is reached - depower

beam reach until above - depower

 

If the speed loss is considerable on both points - staysails.

if not - studding sails.

 

Whats considerable or not, is for you to decide. Keep in mind, the effects apply in percent to ONE sail type only, you wont get barebones 10% more speed out of it. On beam reach your square sails still provide a considerable amount of propulsion.

[Cmdr RideZ]

Very interesting.  At least it explains why it is 10% and not 2.5%.

 

Maybe the description is not clear enough.  It is like a direct variable for the physics engine, hard for players to understand what they actually get from it.

 

In one way I like that it is vague, but maybe a bit too vague.  It is like, build 4 ships with the same stats, and test what are the benefits.  Then make the decision if you like or not.

 

Wiki should have 4 different sailing profiles, just to explain each upgrade.

[Jeheil]

Great video, helped me alot. And yes seeing this on ships with significantly different rigs would be really interesting.

[Yar Matey]

both Upgrades are not realy working as they should and both updates together on a ship is the worst thing you can do.

 

What happens if you run both extra staysails and extra studding sails on your ship?

[MikedaBike]

What happens if you run both extra staysails and extra studding sails on your ship?

 

Your crew get arm ache pulling on all the extra lines, and are unable to make and hold a cup of Tea, there for, it is in fact a real nerf for the British Navy as the crew all work at 25% as no Tea to boost them, i call for a Tea Perk where a char lady comes round giving a good fresh cuppa to all the lads pulling on those extra ropes...!

 

Great vid thanks.

[Pigafetta]

Thank you qw569!! A great video and makes easier to understand the role of specialized modules (and the real sails in RL).

Great job!!

[Guest]

I'm just wondering why stay sails and studding sails need to be static as they are (either you do have the upgrade or you don't). It should be possible to raise/lower these sails as you like with any key. Stay sails shouldn't give a penalty downwind because you could just simply drop them. That would be more accurate in my opinion.

[Tyrdael]

I'm just wondering why stay sails and studding sails need to be static as they are (either you do have the upgrade or you don't). It should be possible to raise/lower these sails as you like with any key. Stay sails shouldn't give a penalty downwind because you could just simply drop them. That would be more accurate in my opinion.

You can drop them staysails, it is called depowering. The problem is, that the spritsail will be depowered, too (what does not make sense to me because it isnt moving nor doing the same thing as a staysail). 

 

An additional studding sails reef button would be neat, tho.

 

Or even a take down square clothes upwind (per mast).

Edited August 31, 2016 by Tyrdael