Capt Flint Rogers (and most of PTT)

[Capt Flint Rogers]

so i buy a alpha game and use the mechanics you put in the game and you want to ban me for it? ban me now so i don't waste anymore time playing and can give my review. and get my refund.

all thease people are all pirates.... not a GB player joining a pirate fight and hitting GB so pirates win

this is pirate attacking pirate, one pirate attacking another, and a whole mess of people coming in to defend him...why cant i defend my clan mate, why cant i join his side? its all pirates in the battle.

 

Reply from admin:

 

Capt Flint Rogers,

Henry d'Esterre Darby has replied to a personal conversation entitled "Flawed".

Henry d'Esterre Darby said:
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Please see this thread:

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2346-forum-and-sea-trials-rules/#entry124264

This is not allowed.  Allowing pirates to select which side of a pirate v pirate battle they enter on is on the list, but until then, you are not allowed to shoot, sink, ram, or otherwise impede boats that are green to you.
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Im still going to impede, if i need to in a battle. make so either it has to be 1v1 fight in a pirate match or a free for all in a Pirate Vs Pirate Battle.

Edited March 16, 2016 by Capt Flint Rogers

[Capt Flint Rogers]

Friendly fire rule change

 

Green on green friendly fire results in -3x xp for every point of damage.

Green on green friendly kills will result in demotion to midshipman if the number of kills reaches 2. 

No tribunal is needed - we will provide the punishment weekly on fridays automatically.

If the number of friendly kills will reach 3 a national player account will turn pirate. 

The pirate who will get 3 kills will get his XP reset

 

Green on green means: you sink a player ON YOUR SIDE of the battle (who is green for you in the tab interface)

 

nowhere in this says i cannot impede in the battle, im not sinking greens...................and nowhere in the actual game,rules or anthing i agreed to say i cannot impede.......

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[Cpt Farragut]

Just so we're clear, you guys are aware that the guy posting the current rules is a mod, correct?  He really didn't leave anything up for interpretation.  The petty attitude is a detriment to the game and its community well more than your $40 is worth.

[Henry d'Esterre Darby]

To be entirely clear, I'm not Admin.  I'm a forum moderator.

 

I was pointing out that you are violating the rules, which the game automatically enforces.  I thought it might be nice to make sure you understood what the rules were before you had a sudden and unexpected XP reset, or worse.  I'd also like to point out that there is a link to the rules on the main steam page, down with the mention of an Alpha EULA.

 

As to "there is no rule against impeding an ally", it is our opinion that that activity falls under trolling, which is also specifically forbidden.

 

Green ships are your friends until that battle is over.  If you don't want to aid the greens you're put with, please leave the battle.  Plain and simple.

 

The reasoning for this is how close you're placed to your green friends at battle start.  This leaves the situation open to massive griefing and intentional abuse.

Edited March 16, 2016 by Henry d'Esterre Darby

[Cpt Farragut]

To be entirely clear, I'm not Admin.  I'm a forum moderator.

 

I was pointing out that you are violating the rules, which the game automatically enforces.  I thought it might be nice to make sure you understood what the rules were before you had a sudden and unexpected XP reset, or worse.  I'd also like to point out that there is a link to the rules on the main steam page, down with the mention of an Alpha EULA.

 

As to "there is no rule against impeding an ally", it is our opinion that that activity falls under trolling, which is also specifically forbidden.

 

Green ships are your friends until that battle is over.  If you don't want to aid the greens you're put with, please leave the battle.  Plain and simple.

 

The reasoning for this is how close you're placed to your green friends at battle start.  This leaves the situation open to massive griefing and intentional abuse.

Henry, thank you for chiming in on this matter.  It has been a massive headache for most of the pirates in general.  Many are at least relieved to know that the situation has been noticed and I'm sure it will be followed up upon should the behavior continue.  I don't envy your job here btw , but it is appreciated.  

[Capt Flint Rogers]

To be entirely clear, I'm not Admin.  I'm a forum moderator.

 

I was pointing out that you are violating the rules, which the game automatically enforces.  I thought it might be nice to make sure you understood what the rules were before you had a sudden and unexpected XP reset, or worse.  I'd also like to point out that there is a link to the rules on the main steam page, down with the mention of an Alpha EULA.

 

As to "there is no rule against impeding an ally", it is our opinion that that activity falls under trolling, which is also specifically forbidden.

 

Green ships are your friends until that battle is over.  If you don't want to aid the greens you're put with, please leave the battle.  Plain and simple.

 

The reasoning for this is how close you're placed to your green friends at battle start.  This leaves the situation open to massive griefing and intentional abuse.

 

 

This is in no way greifing, "me Jumping in a battle to impead the slaughter of a clan mate......" We have the same clan tag........PTT.........its not my fault that there is no way to join his side of the battle. that is not our fault....its the dev's fault for not add this.......i am playing the game as it is. 

 

i do thank you mr moderator for your input however.....but we are aware of the rules "dont sink friendlies" and this is not what we are doing, wre defending our mates in battle that is all and we are complying with the rules, i will take the XP loss if i need to take the green sails down that are trying to attack my clan mamber, i will not sink a green, i am adhering to the rules, defending my clan mate is not trolling/greifing either.

 

"This is not allowed.  Allowing pirates to select which side of a pirate v pirate battle they enter on is on the list, but until then, you are not allowed to shoot, sink, ram, or otherwise impede boats that are green to you"

 

The above statement sent to me by you is nowhere is the rules, i have a right to fight "play" for whoever i choose, i paid money for this ALPHA game i will play how i please.

[Prater]

 

 

I was pointing out that you are violating the rules, which the game automatically enforces.

 

 

It is automatic.  No human involvement is necessary.  Do enough green on green, and the system will automatically kick in punishment.

[Cpt TrueDamage]

This is in no way greifing, "me Jumping in a battle to impead the slaughter of a clan mate......" We have the same clan tag........PTT.........its not my fault that there is no way to join his side of the battle. that is not our fault....its the dev's fault for not add this.......i am playing the game as it is. 

 

i do thank you mr moderator for your input however.....but we are aware of the rules "dont sink friendlies" and this is not what we are doing, wre defending our mates in battle that is all and we are complying with the rules, i will take the XP loss if i need to take the green sails down that are trying to attack my clan mamber, i will not sink a green, i am adhering to the rules, defending my clan mate is not trolling/greifing either.

 

"This is not allowed.  Allowing pirates to select which side of a pirate v pirate battle they enter on is on the list, but until then, you are not allowed to shoot, sink, ram, or otherwise impede boats that are green to you"

 

The above statement sent to me by you is nowhere is the rules, i have a right to fight "play" for whoever i choose, i paid money for this ALPHA game i will play how i please.

But your not Defending your clan mate you are attacking players in traders and have your clan mate desail them when they are green to the trader wy are you trying to act like you are doing nothing wrong and blaming everyone for your mistakes mabey stop being toxic in chat also and everyone would be fine. but yous cant yous are always trash talking everyone with your  racist and homophobic comments and your green on green attacking thats wy no one likes yous mabey clean it up and stop trash talking so much and no one would need to go this far its a game leave bullying at home please and thank you.

[Vandarix]

They do bring up very good points. The game design for pirate is flawed and I do not believe green on green should even be considered for cases like this. You join a clan to fight as a clan and play as a clan and the game prevents pirates from doing that. No punishment should ever be given to a player for defending a clan member. Otherwise, what is the reason for having clan. Fixing pirate on pirate should be a top priority it ruins the game for pirate clans.

Edited March 17, 2016 by Henry d'Esterre Darby
Removed insults.

[Precious Roy]

"Most" of PTT would be a minimum of 9 players. Not 2.

[Mighty Bouff]

regardless of the fact that mechanics are broken at the moment preventing pirates from joining the wrong side they know green on green is not allowable and so either need to take more care in selecting their battles or accept the losses until the mechanic is fixed. Deliberately breaking the rules because you don't like them is quite clearly something that deserves being smashed by the banhammer. 

[Kutai]

This would appear to be a clear breach of rules with good evidence to support it. On top of that the accused admit doing it and argue their point for breaking said rules.

This should be dealt with swiftly to ensure that others get the message. Breaking the rules is punishable.

The accused also seem to be aggresive both in game chat and on the forums. They show no remorse and instead insult all parties.

Edited March 17, 2016 by Kutai

[Charles Vayne]

It appears the rules are not "clear" nor are they posted INSIDE THE GAME!!! (not talking about a link to this non steam affiliated site.)

 

I do not and will not adhere to made up rules by "mods" on a forum. Either the game dishes out punishment for my actions or I am banned and receive a full refund! Those are the only options. You cannot Punish me as a player because you have a broken game mechanic. I will not be "bullied" by anyone for any reason! You can call yourself an ADMIN or a MODERATOR!!! I do not care and do not recognize your authority over me. I will continue to play the game "AS IT ALLOWS" and I will continue to speak anyway I please to anyone I please! If you do not like it please MUTE or REPORT me in game since that is the proper way to do it.

[Hethwill, the Red Duke]

Upon purchase of the advanced order of the game in its Alpha state you abide for all the rules and guidelines as warranted by the developers.

You can login to the forum so I assume you can also find the appropriate Admin posts about what behaviour is expected.

 

You are not the first nor you will be the last to have some sort of lockout or ban. You are not special.

 

 

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/6023-open-world-behavior-and-chat-bans/#entry114300

 

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/6419-warning-friendly-kills-for-all-nations-are-not-allowed/#entry121997

[Charles Vayne]

Rule change.

Sinking, boarding, or denial of the derelicts is not allowed against friendlies for anyone. Any green on green kills are forbidden.

If friendlies sink you file a F11 report from the battle, make screenshots, and report it to Tribunal.

 

SEEMS HERE F11 IS THE PROPER IN-GAME WAY TO DO IT?

 

I HAVE NOT YET SUNK A FRIENDLY AND I WILL NOT ABIDE BY YOUR RULES. I HAVE YET TO SEE A DEV TELL ME A SINGLE WORD. YOUR "RULES" ARE NOT POSTED INSIDE YOUR GAME PLEASE LINK ME DETAILS PROVIDING ME WITH THE CORRECT LOCATION OF THE "RULES" INSIDE THE GAME. NOT ON THIS LITTLE SITE. I DO NOT AND WILL NOT ADHERE TO RULES STRANGERS MAKE UP ON THE SPOT YOU HAVE ZERO AUTHORITY.

[admin]

Rule change.

Sinking, boarding, or denial of the derelicts is not allowed against friendlies for anyone. Any green on green kills are forbidden.

If friendlies sink you file a F11 report from the battle, make screenshots, and report it to Tribunal.

 

SEEMS HERE F11 IS THE PROPER IN-GAME WAY TO DO IT?

 

I HAVE NOT YET SUNK A FRIENDLY AND I WILL NOT ABIDE BY YOUR RULES. I HAVE YET TO SEE A DEV TELL ME A SINGLE WORD. YOUR "RULES" ARE NOT POSTED INSIDE YOUR GAME PLEASE LINK ME DETAILS PROVIDING ME WITH THE CORRECT LOCATION OF THE "RULES" INSIDE THE GAME. NOT ON THIS LITTLE SITE. I DO NOT AND WILL NOT ADHERE TO RULES STRANGERS MAKE UP ON THE SPOT YOU HAVE ZERO AUTHORITY.

 

 

Link to the rules is provided on the purchase page of the game. 

 

Demasting a friendly with the intent to facilitate a kill for an enemy = killing a friendly

When entering a battle you can do whatever you want with the enemy side. You are not allowed to facilitate killing of a friendly, kill a friendly or do any harm to a friendly - green nickname in battle. 

 

You should apologize to a player and compensate his ship. Otherwise the formal rule will be applied.

Regarding the statements about the refund - Steam provides refund options for everyone. If you had less than 2hrs of gameplay you will be set quickly i think.

[Charles Vayne]

Link to the rules is provided on the purchase page of the game. 

 

Demasting a friendly with the intent to facilitate a kill for an enemy = killing a friendly

When entering a battle you can do whatever you want with the enemy side. You are not allowed to facilitate killing of a friendly, kill a friendly or do any harm to a friendly - green nickname in battle. 

 

You should apologize to a player and compensate his ship. Otherwise the formal rule will be applied.

Regarding the statements about the refund - Steam provides refund options for everyone. If you had less than 2hrs of gameplay you will be set quickly i think.

 

 

The problem Isn't green on green. The problem is a broken mechanic that needs to be fixed in the game, If its a ban-able problem.The people bringing this to your attention do it as well. ( they also claim to be friends with you and the rest of the dev's and admins) so forgive me for not taking them or you seriously but I have never played a game where the rules did not come with the game! The problem is I didn't know about this site until AFTER people are trying to get me banned. How can you justify rules everyone has to follow that are not posted in the game?

 

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

 

I do not see sinking of friendly vessels or green on green in those rules? I am not trying to argue I just want rules I have to follow plainly posted.

Edited March 17, 2016 by Charles Vayne

[admin]

The problem Isn't green on green. The problem is a broken mechanic that needs to be fixed in the game, If its a ban-able problem.The people bringing this to your attention do it as well. ( they also claim to be friends with you and the rest of the dev's and admins) so forgive me for not taking them or you seriously but I have never played a game where the rules did not come with the game! The problem is I didn't know about this site until AFTER people are trying to get me banned. How can you justify rules everyone has to follow that are not posted in the game?

 

 

Now you know that you cannot do green on green damage, griefing, trolling

Friendly kill rule was here for ages and the link to the rule is on the purchase page and on Steam forums.

 

Apologize to a player. Compensate his ship = easy and simple course of action.

[Capt. Rice]

The problem Isn't green on green. The problem is a broken mechanic that needs to be fixed in the game, If its a ban-able problem.The people bringing this to your attention do it as well. ( they also claim to be friends with you and the rest of the dev's and admins) so forgive me for not taking them or you seriously but I have never played a game where the rules did not come with the game! The problem is I didn't know about this site until AFTER people are trying to get me banned. How can you justify rules everyone has to follow that are not posted in the game?

 

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

 

I do not see sinking of friendly vessels or green on green in those rules? I am not trying to argue I just want rules I have to follow plainly posted.

What you linked was to steam forum rules not game rules.  Here are the real in game rules posted jan 19th   .........http://steamcommunity.com/app/311310/discussions/1/458606248639534643/

[Charles Vayne]

http://steamcommunit...06248639534643/

 

Im just trying to understand, I just read those and do not see my current situation listed in those rules...

[Cpt Farragut]

Everyone that has had to deal with you in chat knows you two are toxic to the community. You've also made clear example of that here. I have loads of screens from chat admitting to you knowing it was against the rules and screw the devs because I'll just go get a refund. You can reported to steam as well and that has even greater consequences than one game. Stop threatening lawyers and other such dumb sh*t. No lawyer would ever even take a case like this that had to tried in a minimum of federal court and likely a Ukrainian court

[Charles Vayne]

Everyone that has had to deal with you in chat knows you two are toxic to the community. You've also made clear example of that here. I have loads of screens from chat admitting to you knowing it was against the rules and screw the devs because I'll just go get a refund. You can reported to steam as well and that has even greater consequences than one game. Stop threatening lawyers and other such dumb sh*t. No lawyer would ever even take a case like this that had to tried in a minimum of federal court and likely a Ukrainian courtI personally think you are the problem here.

I personally think your the problem! You are being "Toxic" right now but I wouldn't report you I would just ignore you like an man.

 

Secondly I am asking questions about where these rules are placed because I honestly think they should be more readily available.

 

Please refrain talking to me again sir. Hope to see you sailing in the open seas!

[Punk 11]

please, "its not in the rules"! Clearly it is and even if it wasn't you're not doing this by accident. You are INTENTIONALLY exploiting the join side to setup yourselves for easy pirate on pirate ganks. You are disrupting the trade routes, being incredibally discriminating in the chat, and an all around juevenile to the entire nation. Nothing good have come from you or Capt. Flint Rogers, nor will it ever. Chat log alone is plenty to have you two banned, the green on green ganking of pirate traders you say your "Defending clannamtes" to is just idiotic. Yeah because that trader snow is sinking your buddy (which he tagged the trader not the other away around).

 

Oh one more last thing, that threat you issued to one of my clanmates, yeah we'll be sure to post that next.

 

enjoy hello kitty boys.

 

Punk.

[Kutai]

I think the Admin has stated quite clearly what the rules are and what must be done to compensate the player you attacked. What is the confusion?