No bottom carronades for Constitution?

[LittleJP]

I miss running carronade boats

[Capt. Rice]

I dont know if its on here but i was told that having carronades on the higher tier bottom decks were too OP up close... i could be wrong though....but i too would like to have them on a connie

[Tomms123]

I remember the days of Santis going full carro mode. Were so silly and so OP.

 

It were removed for a reason, thats reason is because the amount of damage you could deal with those setups is just silly. And because of the more realism in the gun weight and gun setup.

[Capt. Rice]

Wouldn't it be easier for the bigger ships since carronades  were lighter.

 

ok yes they were smaller but not practical for ships of the line...

Edited March 9, 2016 by Capt. Rice

[xAzDKr]

I could see a consti using carronades on the bottom deck, low arch and things like to get close to it, makes perfect sense to run carronades on the consti

[jodgi]

eh, start fighting players and you won't miss those nades as much.

[Aetrion]

Realistically the reason why carronades weren't put on bottom decks was simply because they are too stubby to run them out of the ports, and you really don't want all the smoke to end up inside of the gun deck. 

[Tindahbawx]

Realistically the reason why carronades weren't put on bottom decks was simply because they are too stubby to run them out of the ports, and you really don't want all the smoke to end up inside of the gun deck. 

 

Interesting, thanks.

[Admiral 8Q]

Realistically the reason why carronades weren't put on bottom decks was simply because they are too stubby to run them out of the ports, and you really don't want all the smoke to end up inside of the gun deck. 

I find that highly unlikely for a reason to not have carronades on the lower gun deck of a Constitution. A more likely reason is they were very short ranged weapons, so you would have to get in really really close to the enemy. Generally a bad thing in a battle. Especially if your target keeps at medium or long range. Then carronades would be useless anyways.

[Aetrion]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carronade#/media/File:Carronade_(schematics).jpg

 

In this image you can see that the gunport for a carronade had to be very specifically modified to allow the gun to slide so far forward that it's lug is practically out of the ship. That would have meant a bigger and specially constructed gun port.

 

So as far as I can tell it makes perfect sense that a gunport is either for carronades or for cannons. Carronades were simply too shot to just put them on a wheeled carriage and use them interchangeably with cannons, a gun deck had to be designed for one or the other.

[Leviathan]

I believe it's absence was simply to follow the historical armament used

• 30 × 24-pounder (11 kg) long gun
• 20 × 32-pounder (15 kg) carronade
• 2 × 24-pounder (11 kg) bow chasers^[2]

[Admiral 8Q]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carronade#/media/File:Carronade_(schematics).jpg

 

In this image you can see that the gunport for a carronade had to be very specifically modified to allow the gun to slide so far forward that it's lug is practically out of the ship. That would have meant a bigger and specially constructed gun port.

 

So as far as I can tell it makes perfect sense that a gunport is either for carronades or for cannons. Carronades were simply too shot to just put them on a wheeled carriage and use them interchangeably with cannons, a gun deck had to be designed for one or the other.

Of course a gun port would be modified for a certain type of cannon. At dock, you could have the lower gun deck made to support carronades with engineers working on it. Thing is, at near water level, they would be useless unless you come to point blank range.

It's not a "factory made"  construction of a ship. The Constitution was, and still is unique.

Yes carronades doesn't make sense, but in a game, why not if someone wants to mount them?

The Constitution (historically) did prefer close range combat though and had alot of carronades, that the British didn't like.

 

[[MCC] Die Antwoord]

It would just be too OP. As it stands now, a Trinco with carronades does more damage than a 3rd rate does if he can stay close to it's target. A 3rd rate with full carronades would just one shot whatever it comes across, lol.

[Capt. Rice]

It would just be too OP. As it stands now, a Trinco with carronades does more damage than a 3rd rate does if he can stay close to it's target. A 3rd rate with full carronades would just one shot whatever it comes across, lol.

But if you knew a 3rd rate had all caranonade just use longs and stay away....

[[MCC] Die Antwoord]

But if you knew a 3rd rate had all caranonade just use longs and stay away....

Of course but still. A 3rd with all carrondes would prob kill 1/4 of a tower in a port battle with one broadside (a trinco already removes about 10%).

I mean I miss the fire power of my trinc when using bigger ships but lets face it, the trinc with full carronades is a beast! I always fit my carronade ships with all possible speed upgrades to stay close to my targets.

[maturin]

 

 

The Constitution (historically) did prefer close range combat though 

Not sure I agree with that.

 

At least one of her duels with a British frigate (can't remember if it was Java or not) was won by hammering away at long range. Such tactics were not at all the fashion at the time. She had a good reputation for accuracy.

[Admiral 8Q]

Not sure I agree with that.

 

At least one of her duels with a British frigate (can't remember if it was Java or not) was won by hammering away at long range. Such tactics were not at all the fashion at the time. She had a good reputation for accuracy.

Java was originally the French frigate Renommée.

When the Constitution engaged the Java, it was armed with thirty 24-pounder cannons and twenty-four 32-pounder carronades, plus two 18-pounder bow chasers.

It ended up in an entanglement at point blank range.

"Constitution's accuracy of fire and the greater weight of her broadside put the much smaller Java at a large disadvantage. Within one hour, after several close encounters involving the rigging of each ship getting entangled with the other's, Java's masts collapsed."

The battle went something like this:

Edited March 12, 2016 by Admiral 8Q