Dutchpower Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Me and more people are wondering how the people are selected to become admin/moderator on forums and ingame. It doesnt really look that it is fair at the moment. There is no transparacy in how this process is going. And how players are selected or voted. There should be a open application system for this instead of just hand picking players isnt fair and democratic. I want to hear the opinions from normal members how they are thinking about this and if they support my opinion.
OlavDeng2 Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Easy, people who are helpfull in the forums and in the chat, they will be considered for moderation, people who do nothing will not get to be moderator, being moderator is about being helpfull to the community, and i think it is entirely fair for the devs to do this way, i think this might be the best way there is as the devs and moderators monitor chat and see who is helpfull, if they need some more they just contact them. edit: this is how it looks like for me at least 4
Hethwill, the Red Duke Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Democracy has no place in ruling a private enterprise. Meritocracy however is definitely a system used by many private ventures. 1
Dutchpower Posted February 25, 2016 Author Posted February 25, 2016 Democracy has no place in ruling a private enterprise. Meritocracy however is definitely a system used by many private ventures. It should, as what i can see now the most moderators are players that own their own clan or leading a clan. It looks shady in my eyes.
OlavDeng2 Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 It should, as what i can see now the most moderators are players that own their own clan or leading a clan. It looks shady in my eyes. That is because those are the veteran players that have helped a lot, because of their experiance they are a good choice for leading a clan and are also a good choice for moderator as they are helpfull. 1
Dutchpower Posted February 25, 2016 Author Posted February 25, 2016 That is because those are the veteran players that have helped a lot, because of their experiance they are a good choice for leading a clan and are also a good choice for moderator as they are helpfull. I understand your point but still i would like to see more transparency about this topic and i think alot of players would like that to.
OlavDeng2 Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 I understand your point but still i would like to see more transparency about this topic and i think alot of players would like that to. Well the issue i have is i dont see how it could be any clearer, if you are helpfull enough and the devs or some moderators notice you, you might be up for getting promoted, if you dont do anything you wont.
charognard666 Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 I understand your point but still i would like to see more transparency about this topic and i think alot of players would like that to. I think alot of players don't care about how moderators are chosen, if they are doing a good job, and it's actually the case... 5
Galileus Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 You're forgetting something. You're forgetting you're a consumer here. Not a share holder, not a co-owner, nothing like that. Just. A. Consumer. 2
Lyric Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 The Mods usually have direct contact with the Devs I believe buddy, so it has to be people whom the Devs will be comfortable working with. Therefore it makes sense the Devs handpick the mods.
Dutchpower Posted February 25, 2016 Author Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) You're forgetting something. You're forgetting you're a consumer here. Not a share holder, not a co-owner, nothing like that. Just. A. Consumer. I certainly am, but that doesnt mean i can i discus about it and open a topic. And yes i care. i create a topic about it. Just a consumer? Alright.. The Mods usually have direct contact with the Devs I believe buddy, so it has to be people whom the Devs will be comfortable working with. Therefore it makes sense the Devs handpick the mods. Thats the concern that only people that know the devs can become a mod. that is unfair for the others. A moderator makes decisions ingame for lets say ban someone. and they do more things for the community. People dont see that it is important to have some transparency here? I am not saying that they dont do a good job, they do a good job. And i dont wanna be a mod by any means. But it concers me. Edited February 25, 2016 by Dutchpower
Lyric Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) I see that it concerns you and I'm trying to help you The forums are a major source of information that Devs rely on for feedback. It's also a great tool to point out people who have over 5000 topic replies, or whom have pioneered/organised shipyard section, or whom have excellent literacy, well mannered and active. Yes mods are hand picked, but not at willynilly, I assure you the current mods have done a lot for our community and have been carefully selected to help manage it. I believe I've spoken to 6 of them on teamspeak, 3 on a regular basis now, and believe me when I say they are the epitome of what a mod should be. It just so happens this is the same leadership skill set that is ever so useful in running a guild Edited February 25, 2016 by Monkey Bullet 2
Galileus Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 You can open a topic and discuss how mods are picked, sure. Throwing accusations of "shadiness" and expecting "transparency" is another thing. Thats the concern that only people that know the devs can become a mod. that is unfair for the others. That's what I'm talking about. "Unfair to the others". I'm guessing Game labs should also make their recruitment procedure public? They should allow users to vote on who gets hired? And the code should be open. Otherwise it's "unfair", Get a grip, man. It's not your place to say how and who they choose as a mod. 1
Hethwill, the Red Duke Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Watch out waht you wish for. Been there, done that, in a game way bigger than NA. No idea why was picked but it was merit I think, communication and overall TIME. To help all and everyone forfeiting the purpose of playing the game almost. It is volunteer time but your own conscience will dictate otherwise if you really like the game and the community and helping others. The NA community does not yet need many more moderators. We have globals and nationals which translate into game as well. Let it go ! Let it gooooo ! We'll not be in Alpha that much more anymoooooore... Let it goooo ! 1
Dutchpower Posted February 25, 2016 Author Posted February 25, 2016 I see that it concerns you and I'm trying to help you The forums are a major source of information that Devs rely on for feedback. It's also a great tool to point out people who have over 5000 topic replies, or whom have pioneered/organised shipyard section, or whom have excellent literacy, well mannered and active. Yes mods are hand picked, but not at willynilly, I assure you the current mods have done a lot for our community and have been carefully selected to help manage it. I believe I've spoken to 6 of them on teamspeak, 3 on a regular basis now, and believe me when I say they are the epitome of what a mod should be. It just so happens this is the same leadership skill set that is ever so useful in running a guild Great to hear, and glad we have someone that knows a bit how it goes. You can open a topic and discuss how mods are picked, sure. Throwing accusations of "shadiness" and expecting "transparency" is another thing. That's what I'm talking about. "Unfair to the others". I'm guessing Game labs should also make their recruitment procedure public? They should allow users to vote on who gets hired? And the code should be open. Otherwise it's "unfair", Get a grip, man. It's not your place to say how and who they choose as a mod. I am not saying thay they need to share that. but they can atleast show how someone qualifies to become it. A mod does a very important job for the community so i dont think you understand my points that i made in this topic. And i can thrown out everything i want with manners and respect ofcourse. Get a grip, man. It's not your place to say how and who they choose as a mod. I didnt say that. and if you think that, read again.
hoarmurath Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) Thats the concern that only people that know the devs can become a mod. that is unfair for the others. A moderator makes decisions ingame for lets say ban someone. and they do more things for the community. People dont see that it is important to have some transparency here? I am not saying that they dont do a good job, they do a good job. And i dont wanna be a mod by any means. But it concers me. You are totally wrong, people can be chosen as moderators without knowing the devs. In my experience, they ask people who are especially involved in the game, very active in game or in forum. They see who is acting the way they think a moderator should behave, and ask them. I don't get what you are asking for... If you see someone extremely active, with sensible suggestions, answering to newbies questions, always acting as someone calm, probably this person will be asked to be a moderator. How exactly do you want the community involved in that? Or you want them to ask you personally? How moderators are selected is, in the end, none of our concern as lambda players. Edited February 25, 2016 by hoarmurath
Joe Spivey Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 I think they will pretty much consider anyone who isn't wearing a tinfoil hat. 1
Ink Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Easy, people who are helpfull in the forums and in the chat, they will be considered for moderation, people who do nothing will not get to be moderator, being moderator is about being helpfull to the community, and i think it is entirely fair for the devs to do this way, i think this might be the best way there is as the devs and moderators monitor chat and see who is helpfull, if they need some more they just contact them. Olav have described it pretty clear
Dutchpower Posted February 25, 2016 Author Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) You are totally wrong, people can be chosen as moderators without knowing the devs. In my experience, they ask people who are especially involved in the game, very active in game or in forum. They see who is acting the way they think a moderator should behave, and ask them. I don't get what you are asking for... If you see someone extremely active, with sensible suggestions, answering to newbies questions, always acting as someone calm, probably this person will be asked to be a moderator. How exactly do you want the community involved in that? Or you want them to ask you personally? How moderators are selected is, in the end, none of our concern as lambda players. If that is the case, than i am sorry i didnt knew. I hear diffrent story's thays why i am wondering. Olav have described it pretty clear Thankyou i coudnt find any information about it how someone qualifies for it. Edited February 25, 2016 by Dutchpower
Galileus Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 And i can thrown out everything i want with manners and respect ofcourse. Pointless, baseless and - to call it by it's name - simply put stupid accusations of "shady dealings" are not what I call manners or respect. I do understand you had no bad intentions in mind and wrote something too fast without thinking about it, but please - avoid using such trigger-words in the future, unless you're perfectly sure of what you're doing. In the meantime I will keep showing my teeth every time I see such an accusation thrown onto the wind for the same of poor man's demagogy. Just my nature... 2
Henry d'Esterre Darby Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 I will add that the game has no "admins" - there are not moderators and admins. There are moderators, and then there is Admin (singular). Admin is the project lead - he's one guy. There are a few developers (they have a Developer tag on the left side) who have posted here in the past, but in general, they're busy making the game and it's Admin's job to relay information back and forth. 1
Konali89 Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 From my previous experience as head admin/community on a community slightly bigger on its peak moment i think i have an objective view on these things. I have chosen over 50 moderators myself and in the end it comes down to a few things. - Overall known attitude ( if you are known to be a troublemaker, not working in your favour) - Experience ( it helps alot if you have been around for awhile) - Country of origin ( you want alot of the timezones covered for as far that is possible) - Nation you are sailing for ingame ( does not make sense only hire US players to be moderator while there are other nations to monitor aswell) Asking for democracy or transparency is nice, but it opens up a shitload of things the devs have to work on besides scripting the game. In the end, if the moderators are doing their job fine, who cares if they have a green colour. We all want to help this game, whether we do that as a normal player or as a moderator, if we behave ( color within the lines) it does not matter in my eyes who the moderators are if it benefits the game. Konali
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