Dutch Flags and in general

[pietjenoob]

I was playing a portbattle at night and when i was fighting the French i found out that it is very hard to identify friend or foe. So my suggestion is to change the Dutch flag to to a 2 or 3 times (seen in the pictures). On the forum of paintings you can also see that Dutch ships tend to have at least 2 different flags on board. Some have ships i do know of have the current Dutch flag and a double Dutch flag(on top of the highest mast) but also the triple Dutch flag

 

And for the ships in general we should have flags on top of the mast at least on the highest mast a flag of your nation.

 

 

[maturin]

 

 

And for the ships in general we should have flags on top of the mast at least on the highest mast a flag of your nation

In this era national flags were carried at the stern, and not at the top of the highest mast.

[pietjenoob]

In this era national flags were carried at the stern, and not at the top of the highest mast.

How do you explain the flags in top of the ships mast in for example in paintings?

 

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2983-ship-paintings-art-collection/

[Galileus]

How do you explain the flags in top of the ships mast in for example in paintings?

 

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2983-ship-paintings-art-collection/

 

Ask the painter and cut his salary?

[Lyric]

Haha that made me chuckle Galileus, you French custard cream.

I do agree with Piet though. I have no sentimental preference on which Dutch flag, Being an Englishman myself but I certainly wouldn't say no to the rather charming orange white blue flag shown in one of those pics in the interests of contrast between the Dutch and French if it is indeed historically correct

Edited February 22, 2016 by Monkey Bullet

[Wicked Mouse]

I do agree with Piet though. I have no sentimental preference on which Dutch flag, Being an Englishman myself but I certainly wouldn't say no to the rather charming orange white blue flag shown in one of those pics in the interests of contrast between the Dutch and French if it is indeed historically correct

 

 

Blegh, no orange please. I'd suggest for the flag of the Netherlands either the 'Statenvlag' ('States Flag'), which is identical to the flag of Luxembourg right now, or the flag of the Batavian Republic:

 

 

Or alternatively, choose naval flags (or make a combination with some), as the one mentioned by the original poster, but they were mainly used in the 17th century fighting the Spanish oppressor (see the re-enactment photo there), or this one called 'De Dubbele Geus' ('The Double Beggar'; The word geus in its historical sense has more connotation with resistance fighters than the true origin from the french word gueux, used at first by aristocracy to talk about the 'poor people'):

 

 

The flag is still flown from time to time by the Dutch navy:

 

[pietjenoob]

 

Blegh, no orange please. I'd suggest for the flag of the Netherlands either the 'Statenvlag' ('States Flag'), which is identical to the flag of Luxembourg right now, or the flag of the Batavian Republic:

 

 

Or alternatively, choose naval flags (or make a combination with some), as the one mentioned by the original poster, but they were mainly used in the 17th century fighting the Spanish oppressor (see the re-enactment photo there), or this one called 'De Dubbele Geus' ('The Double Beggar'; The word geus in its historical sense has more connotation with resistance fighters than the true origin from the french word gueux, used at first by aristocracy to talk about the 'poor people'):

 

 

The flag is still flown from time to time by the Dutch navy:

 

Do you want to be even more confused? Or you want to change nothing about the flag?

Well the Orange-white-blue flag is a historical flag which is from 1627 but it has to be different then the one we currently have.

And also it is a suggestion you could also use the one on the left which is also a time periode correct flag

Edited February 22, 2016 by SteelSandwich
To prevent stretching the page, added spoiler.

[Henry d'Esterre Darby]

That last one is being used as a Jack flag.  Only flown at anchor and from the jack staff on the bow.  Not sure if it was always like that, but if it's a jack flag, it's incorrect to fly it from the stern as your colors.

[BramtheDutch]

The Geus is a (rescistance) marine/sailor, not a beggar.

The geuzen used futuristic naval raiding tactics and naval landings to assist our revolt against the spanish. And were the main Dutch naval force during the age and the geuzen itself were sailors or marines, the best fighters in the age (1580).

Just to give non-dutchies some info on them.

Edited February 22, 2016 by bramluijken

[SteelSandwich]

The Geus is a (rescistance) marine/sailor, not a beggar.

The geuzen used futuristic naval raiding tactics and naval landings to assist our revolt against the spanish. And were the main Dutch naval force during the age and the geuzen itself were sailors or marines, the best fighters in the age (1580).

Just to give non-dutchies some info on them.

The english term for Geuzen is 'Sea Beggar'.

 

Orange would suggest a pre 1650 ship, since thats when it was fazed out.

 

Flag variations:

 

Dutch Navy flag <1650

Dutch Navy flag >1650

Geoctroyeerde West-indische Compagnie <1650

Geoctroyeerde West-indische Compagnie >1650

Admiral Flag

[pietjenoob]

The english term for Geuzen is 'Sea Beggar'.

 

Orange would suggest a pre 1650 ship, since thats when it was fazed out.

 

Flag variations:

 

Dutch Navy flag <1650

Dutch Navy flag >1650

Geoctroyeerde West-indische Compagnie <1650

Geoctroyeerde West-indische Compagnie >1650

Admiral Flag

Steel i see you also have the dates from when which flag was, but were is the dubble stripe flag?

Edited February 22, 2016 by SteelSandwich
To prevent stretching the page, added spoiler.

[Wicked Mouse]

Do you want to be even more confused? Or you want to change nothing about the flag?

Well the Orange-white-blue flag is a historical flag which is from 1627 but it has to be different then the one we currently have.

And also it is a suggestion you could also use the one on the left which is also a time periode correct flag

I didn't say it wasn't historical. I'm just a republican at heart and oppose the use of orange. Period.

 

That last one is being used as a Jack flag.  Only flown at anchor and from the jack staff on the bow.  Not sure if it was always like that, but if it's a jack flag, it's incorrect to fly it from the stern as your colors.

That's modern rules and used 'in honour'. It was flown originally at the bowsprit during the battles against the Spanish in the 16th century apparently and I found it a very distinctive flag to add to the nation flag. And yes, I didn't mean to replace the current one with that.

 

The Geus is a (rescistance) marine/sailor, not a beggar.

The geuzen used futuristic naval raiding tactics and naval landings to assist our revolt against the spanish. And were the main Dutch naval force during the age and the geuzen itself were sailors or marines, the best fighters in the age (1580).

Just to give non-dutchies some info on them.

Geus is 'een bedelaar', 'a beggar', 'een armoedzaaier', 'a pauper'. A quick google could have spared you the embarrassment

[Amendus]

People should get the choice to pick whatever nation flag is historically correct, or the clan leaders should be able to pick a historically correct clan flag.

I didn't say it wasn't historical. I'm just a republican at heart and oppose the use of orange. Period.

 

That's modern rules and used 'in honour'. It was flown originally at the bowsprit during the battles against the Spanish in the 16th century apparently and I found it a very distinctive flag to add to the nation flag. And yes, I didn't mean to replace the current one with that.

 

Geus is 'een bedelaar', 'a beggar', 'een armoedzaaier', 'a pauper'. A quick google could have spared you the embarrassment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geuzen

 

check this link please.

[Sella]

On the other hand (a bit offtopic) you could change the French flag to the pre revolution one.