[PvP2] Vive La France

[Poe]

 They mostly had little man syndrome and wanted to sail around in big ships. 

 

Moving east probably does pay off for the players personally but it severely damaged the Pirates as a nation.

 

When the map re-sets they get another chance so we will see if the Eastern Pirates learned something at that point.

 

Some of it was little man, but most of it was just not wanting to fight a zerg.  The Brits and the Americans are lovers, I murder both, I find the love letters. They beat the drum about the pirate menace, but anyone who watches the map knows We pirates couldn't even organize a bake sale.  In every game that they can players will go nut to butt to find an advantage to make up for a poor skill-set.  Few players are cut from the cloth that find being constantly outnumbered fun, so they group up with the rest of there kind.  Individual skills suffer when you are part of a zerg, you don't get better or learn when a "fight" is firing two shots and it being over.  And big guild drama... *shudder*  Oh, and it is boring.  But for many players that's the only way they know to play, join the zerg or get rolled by it.  Darkfall, Eve, Other games... Those that want to goon up an zerg can if ya want, but don't expect me to do anything but put the murder to em for the lolz.

 

This is what we do, it's not boring.  During the day we will cap a couple ships send em to MT, fart about doing Scrump stuff  and general screw about till folks get on, then when we get enough we go looking.  "Enough" is 4-6, that is plenty to get in a fight with 25 and live long enough to make 300-500 xp and get a kill or two as a group.  Its not a fatalistic thing, just how its going to go before its over. But on a good note we don't waste much time sailing back to port...

 

So last night was we killed half dozen Brits off the north shore of Jamaica, calling out Roberts and SOB with each.  This not even sport, we are straight up murdering guys to get a response, but we do try to be cool about it.  I was kinda surprised to find out that my assessment of him being a twat is actually a common one even among Brits.   Anyway SoB didn't come play, but a mixed fleet of 25 caught us around Hati with another half dozen floating around outside waiting for the battle to end, I know because I got killed first...  That's how many they can pull together on short notice around Jamaca/Hati.  Fun was had, I made one of them run over one of their own in my death throws after shouting "Witness Me".

 

After that we fought the HOSP guys again of Hati's southern coast, they actually ok for Brits. Was 7 on 3 in comparable ships, we got two and slipped away, so that's a good day in pirate math.  After that we went back over to the north shore of Jamaica and up through the windward, we killed a couple stray Brits but that fleet had pissed off to elsewhere apparently. Growing bored we went all the way up towards Antward, hooked up with a Manaquins guy and were baiting Americans into getting murdered with him in a trade lynx I think (or maybe just a lynx, not sure). Anyway, the USS guys showed up, but they got the pointy end of the stick; they had significant numbers but we had ship advantage and I think USS is mostly new guys.  After that, before we could even get out of Atward to keep moving west towards the Florida coast another fleet of 20+ fleet of Brits came all the way over to save the yanks from the 5 of us.  To shine a light on national numbers, while this USS/Brit fight was going with us, each having 20 or so in fleets the Americans were also working with the Brits to finish off the 20 Spanish guys out in the gulf by having both nations attack Spanish ports at the same time.  I hope those 50 had fun playing tower wars.

 

So this is what we do most nights. I only went through a couple ships, but I often will go through 4 or 5 on a busy night.  I made around 80-150k in gold and probably 2 to 2.5k xp over the whole night which was light, but more importantly I had fun.  When you fight big groups you just rake in the gravy, with so many to shoot at your guns never stop talking and if you can stretch em out a bit you can last forever even with half a dozen shooting at you because of how tough the ships are and its a blast.  Ships are cheap to buy and even cheaper to steal in this game, the number of guys that get all worked up over a gold ship with all gold and purp fittings don't listen when you tell em that the difference is really not that great between a yolo swag ship (our term for an all gold ship with gold/purp fits) and a grey or stolen npc' ship, but it is in fact, I know because I fight in both flavors.

 

The developers have gone out of their way to make pvp as painless and fun as possible in this game, the fact that so many still feel a need to Zerg and would rather go color dots on a map defended only by towers is mute testimony to the kind of player this title has attracted.  I find it kinda sad really.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Poe

[Arsilon]

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As much as it pains me to say it, Poe is a pirate I could actually like.  He should be speaking for the pirate nation instead of some of the other blow-hards.

 

(I would still have no qualms trying to kill him of course)

Edited February 24, 2016 by Arsilon

[Vllad]

I don't see how we damaged the nation.

We're winning pretty hardcore..

 

That debate is something being had daily by your own nation. I have no doubt you have seen the complaints from those that you left behind. Most importantly your nation has lost many players to other teams. I have no doubt that Pirates will always be a zerg but it certainly won't be what it could have been.

 

As far as "winning pretty hardcore"...

 

I think you should speak to the Pirates from the other servers who actively make fun of the ones on PVP2. The only team on PVP2 that has had its face kicked in more than the French are the Pirates. Don't confuse picking on a team with hardly any players as "winning pretty hardcore". You sound like you need to play some on the other servers to give you some perspective.

 

You are in the minor leagues in the East dealing with the French that you should have utterly destroyed a month ago. The fact that you can't root out the French who are a bunch of nobodies just shows the Pirates on PVP2 aren't ready for big league teams.

 

The single biggest harm you did to the Pirate Nation by running away is you set a precedence that many of your players will follow going forward. When the game gets tough (and it always will for all teams at some point) the Pirates will fold and run away.

[Vllad]

Poe,

 

Your life sounds very much like the French. Maybe you need to consider joining them so you can punch in the head those that left you hanging.

[[MCC] Die Antwoord]

That debate is something being had daily by your own nation. I have no doubt you have seen the complaints from those that you left behind. Most importantly your nation has lost many players to other teams. I have no doubt that Pirates will always be a zerg but it certainly won't be what it could have been.

 

As far as "winning pretty hardcore"...

 

I think you should speak to the Pirates from the other servers who actively make fun of the ones on PVP2. The only team on PVP2 that has had its face kicked in more than the French are the Pirates. Don't confuse picking on a team with hardly any players as "winning pretty hardcore". You sound like you need to play some on the other servers to give you some perspective.

 

You are in the minor leagues in the East dealing with the French that you should have utterly destroyed a month ago. The fact that you can't root out the French who are a bunch of nobodies just shows the Pirates on PVP2 aren't ready for big league teams.

 

The single biggest harm you did to the Pirate Nation by running away is you set a precedence that many of your players will follow going forward. When the game gets tough (and it always will for all teams at some point) the Pirates will fold and run away.

 

Those we have left behind? Nobody was left behind... CF moved here on day 1 back when there were like 50 people at peak times on the server. We didn't run from anyone. I don't care what reason everyone else had to come over here but there are several:

 

1. The unprovoked US zerg in the Bahamas

2. The fact Mortimer Town is the worst possible capital position ever, squeezed between the two biggest nations on the server with mostly shallow ports around which are ultimately harder to take/protect because every noob and their mother can join in a basic Cutter and still make a difference.

3. The fact that the two biggest nations on the server decided to ally (formally or unformally, I don't care, but the fact of the matter is they steer clear of each other and push us on both sides) against us, instead of fighting each other as they should.

4. Losing the Bahamas meant that we couldn't get enough resources to supply our traders.

5. Getting closer to smaller nations to ally with them against the impending double-zerg was a logical move.

 

But again, CF came here with the sole plan of being one clan, doing it's own stuff, fighting it's own wars and simply secure and hold a small area for the fun of it. We had 25 men in clan by the time we started moving on the French cities, half of which couldn't crew a Cerb, so we were hardly being pushy.

 

When I look at the big picture though, we ain't in a bad spot at all. The Brits are slowly crumbling both from in-fighting and being now focused by the US (finally!).. The US I don't know.. I don't care... but if/when they show up here we'll give 'em the same treatment we gave SOB and send 'em packing... In the meantime, since nobody wants to be friends with us, we'll just go out in swarm and wreak havoc as any pirate should do.

[Sir Robert Calder]

After reading this thread the animosity between certain parties is clear so I will refrain from commenting on that. Elsewhere I will say simply that as a member of another underpopulated (or perhaps disorganized comparatively speaking) faction, I greatly respect Slamz for your efforts to still fight under France's banner against overwhelming amounts of degenerative pirates. Had the geographical climate pitted us as enemies I would undoubtedly hunt you as fiercely as these piratas, but in this instant I only wish good tidings in France's effort to reclaim her ports and colonies.

 

I enjoy reading of your victories as they are inspiring to my own efforts in our fight with the Americans, so please do continue posting them.

[Poe]

That debate is something being had daily by your own nation. I have no doubt you have seen the complaints from those that you left behind. Most importantly your nation has lost many players to other teams. I have no doubt that Pirates will always be a zerg but it certainly won't be what it could have been.

 

Comparing this situation with pvp1 where the pirates are the largest faction to here is thin.

 

That said, you are not all wrong.  OMG went to help Twobeards and company because we were getting pinched for resources. His plan was solid and I still think it was the right play to make.  This was before the Americans had pushed down past Nassau.  The sheer number of locusts we had, with no access to neutral ports like nationals get had put us in a bad spot.  Its even worse over in the Antilles now.

 

I had thought the plan was to base and build there and keep the fight in the Bahamas,  make them have to deal with two pirate areas and open up a third one on the west coast of Florida with the Aussies. I apparently didn't get the memo thou and not only did most of the pirates run off they still actively tell new guys to run and call us still fighting in the area "stupid".  

 

"The Pirates" should be taking back the Bahamas now that some of the brits/yanks are messing around in the gulf and secure a foothold in before they get back... Force them to grind us out of the Bahamas in order to protect the holdings in the Antilles. But it won't happen.  I am not sure when we are the focus again if we could even take it back or hold for any real period of time, but I will bet stolen British lady pants that the pirates won't even try.  The pirates that wouldn't come from MT to help defend the Bahamas are surely not going to come all the way from the Eastern Antillies to do so.  So when the Yanks and Brits get done messing around over in the gulf they are going to put the squash on the Antilles in short order.  I said that all the twats that didn't want to fight in the Bahamas were just going to flee down this way and start drama and eat up resources. I made the suggestion to the alliance that once we got the Antilles secured we murder every pirate that came over that was not part of the original alliance to keep it clean of sheep.  We should have helped them make there own claim somewhere but jamming us all in one box and just making it easier for em to hurt us.  But my no one likes my ideas when they involve rampant murder of other pirates apparently.

 

The Brits or Americans outnumber us, combined its a silly amount and while we have some high level pirates they have far more guys in the upper end to form solid fleets with than we do.  The Brits in particular have a willingness to fight that most pirates seam to lack.  Americans are hit or miss, they will sometimes fight when they got no chance and sometimes run when they should have an easy win, depends on which ones you happen to be fighting.  At the start of this game the pirates were handed fortress Bahamas.  Fair amount of resources, you can fight ports there and not get out shipped at level three and if you base in the middle you can get in on any port assault or defense with an easy sail. Now the Americans have it and I am not sure if with the numbers difference we can take it back even if we had every swinging peg leg trying to.  My only hope now is that some of the Eastern pirates get bored grinding on NPC's and decide to move back west and start fighting all the time.  I wouldn't be on enough of that occurring to change much thou.

[Poe]

Poe,

 

Your life sounds very much like the French. Maybe you need to consider joining them so you can punch in the head those that left you hanging.

 

We have scores to settle here first.  Thou if they keep dragging feet over giving us the means to I might consider wearing a hat with horns on it.

[Taralin Snow]

2. The fact Mortimer Town is the worst possible capital position ever, squeezed between the two biggest nations on the server with mostly shallow ports around which are ultimately harder to take/protect because every noob and their mother can join in a basic Cutter and still make a difference.

 

Ok, this I can believe.  Why can't the pirates defend their shallow ports the same way the French have been defending Pedernales?  Because they have too many knuckleheads bringing Basic Cutters to port battles.

[Bach]

@POE

The Bahamas could by liberated in 5 moves with the resources at hand. Holding it would be a different story but certainly easier knowing what the pirates know of the game now.

If the PVE pirates are pissing you off enough come on down SE as pissed off Pirates and help the French regain the SE and push said PVE pirates back into the game. We'll take the south up to the French Capitol, you keep the North from Roseau to Saint Lious plus the St. Joe iron and hemp for ship building. Then we go make some noise elsewhere.

@Brucy

You have the power to either make or break the pirate nation on PVP2. You might hold the Antilles as a fixed fortification but anything you teleport out to take will just get sucked up the next day after you leave. You want progress you have to live on the war front. If you do that we'll take the Antilles back and you will just be bouncing back and forth. It could be fun. It could be frustrating. You will never build a coalition untill you have the leadership to tell the weak minded or short sighted on your own team when to shut up or else.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Bach

[Vllad]

 

 

1. The unprovoked US zerg in the Bahamas

2. The fact Mortimer Town is the worst possible capital position ever, squeezed between the two biggest nations on the server with mostly shallow ports around which are ultimately harder to take/protect because every noob and their mother can join in a basic Cutter and still make a difference.

3. The fact that the two biggest nations on the server decided to ally (formally or unformally, I don't care, but the fact of the matter is they steer clear of each other and push us on both sides) against us, instead of fighting each other as they should.

4. Losing the Bahamas meant that we couldn't get enough resources to supply our traders.

5. Getting closer to smaller nations to ally with them against the impending double-zerg was a logical move.

 

 

To the laymen these do sound like good reasons. Don't get me wrong I don't find your reasoning to be incorrect I just don't think Pirates in general understand the game mechanics very well.

 

1. If you have 25 people show up to a shallow port battle you should NEVER lose those given the current rule set unless you completely bungle it. The Pirate nation is set up in the Bahamas to darn near make it impossible to kick them out unless they don't have any players around to fight (which we know they have plenty of). I like Pirates on other servers are completely baffled as to how Pirates on PVP2 lost your shallow water PB's especially when the BR was x3 when you lost them.   

 

2. You don't need to control the resources in order to supply your nation with what it needs to fight.

 

3. Making alliances is actually a really sound idea. That is not what the Pirates did though outside of the Swedes. They mostly just pissed everyone off so I find it unlikely this was a goal of any sort.

 

This is not directed to any single group like CF but generally the Pirates left to get away from the difficulty of hard mode up in the Bahamas. They didn't think about much else other than that.

 

Eventually however the current Pirate players are going to have to figure out the Bahamas and you don't learn that by running away. We still have 1 or 2 more map wipes plus launch a head of us. The Pirates are going to end up right back where they started and it is going to get more difficult for the Pirates to run away every subsequent wipe as other teams mature and are prepared for the Pirate Exodus.  

 

People like Slamz and Poe have been saying this all along. This short term exodus actually made the road tougher for you guys not easier and you made it less likely that the developers would look at your plight and change things.  The Pirates are a PVE team who PVP's in zergs. That is the team you built when you guys left. Had Pirates stayed you would have been building a team that can figure out how to beat the US zerg. If the Pirates on PVP2 continue with that mind set they will always be the team that gets run over by someone else.

[Poe]

I don't think you guys really understand what these pirate players are like.  Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of these guys, but on the whole they are not as pvp inclined as a lot of you guys apparently believe.

 

Let me give you an idea of what its like here, based simply on my experience at the battle of Aves.  Two Beards gets with jack says "Something is coming this weekend, stash something in Aves to fight with".  Done, we go back to fighting yanks I think. Brits buy a flag we recall back join up with the lads and put the boots to SoB.  You will hear different recounts, but it was a murdering. We had 6 third rates, 6 Connies everything else was frigate or better. Our Brazzilians were much greater and as TB saw the advantage and had us open by diving the line.  They didn't want to brawl and kept going for the towers that we abandoned and it was over except for putting the work in to sink people, the couple towers SoB got is a damn miracle IMO. After that point TB had to go do real life stuff, someone else took over and we headed back to the Antilies to get a flag to finish off the Brits at Fred... or not. 

 

Now the pirates want to stop and take this glorious fleet of murder and a bazillion Brazilians, most likely the best fleet to be out and about in any battle to date on the server... South to farm french ports.  I am not kidding you.  I couldn't believe it, I actually thought they were just joking and trolling us.  But they were serious.  OMG offered to reimburse ships, buy the flag, hand jobs for survivors, free ships from Scrump, you name it. We even threatened to join France and put the murder to em... We even had Nyx, our unicorn come into sweet talk them into it, she insulted the crap out of them, she not so good at sweet talk in retrospect actually.  Jack, who doesn't get mad actually got mad...  We actually called for a vote so we could figure out which leaders were going to go scrape the bottom of the barrel and go that way; so when they fix pirate on pirate action we would know where to start culling sheep from our ranks.   Was crazy that they didn't want to finish off the Brits, hell if we had done it then we not only would have gotten a fight at that port battle but sent a message that the Eastern Pirates were a legit force.  At the end of the day OMG and the Aussies and a couple guys from the other groups say screw it and decide to make a attack on Freds by ourselves and get it done or have fun trying. 

 

Course round that time Slamz bought a flag and the guys heading south to farm towers got back into the mix chasing him.  The group that had gone to clear a run for the flag to the north west got into it with mixed Brit, French and Dutch fleets and we ended up in this rolling mix of battles all the way back to Aves where the "bulk" of what the Brits and allies got murdered.  It was fun, but with the loss of the bigger ships in SoB's first run on that port they really didn't have anything to match even what the few of us were heading north with, let alone what turned around from heading back South to join.  Me and Jack chased Brits all the way to PR after that.

 

The next day we get everyone together and take Fred back unopposed.  yippie.

 

Anyway, this is what we deal with.  They spew a river of chit about coming south in local with only the couple groups that still fight up north saying anything contrary. They think that chasing around (and apparently loosing too) a nation of under shipped French that as a nation is outnumbered by half the guilds they are facing is "PVP".  I have tried being cool and talking to em about it and I have tried being a dick. I am apparently not diplomatic enough to get them to think outside of the box they have built for themselves so at this point I pretty much resigned to leave em in it.  I hope they will get bored and come and start fighting before long, but even if they don't that fight will come find them soon and they won't have a choice about it.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Poe

[[MCC] Die Antwoord]

Poe you are painting it one way and not getting the whole picture here.

After we defended Aves, we knew there was a 60-70 enemy fleet in the region and the evening was still young, it was obvious that despite their horrible fail, they would come for another round or two. I advocated we stand down and wait to see what happened. It was, stategically speaking the most sound option.

OMG and several guys wanted to jump straight into the lion's mouth. Although a ballsy move, it had absolutely zero strategic value because for the same reason we wiped the floor with them in Aves they would have wiped the floor with us in Freds. No gain other than fun PVP, but we were gonna get that anyway cause that mob of 70+ ship wasn't going to bed at 10pm...

The Invictus crowd went for that french port.. Not sure why, again, no strategic value and it only made us weaker for what was inevitably going to happen, round 2.

Another option was being talked over that had both balls and strategic value and that was to go fight them ar Freds but without getting into a port battle. This would have disrupted their second attack, given us the pvp and most likely a win because we out leveled and out shiped them despite our similar if not lower numbers.

While that last option was being discussed, the second flag for Aves was bought which proved, in my opinion, that any option other than waiting or attacking their fleet was a bad one.

I understand you guys want pvp at all costs and don't mind losing, etc. I am a strategist by nature and that's not to say I'm not willing to fight, but I don't fight stupid/pointless fights when the empire I worked my ass off for 3 weeks is being targeted by a huge foreign alliance that includes one of the biggest nations on the server.

Call it different priorities... I respect your choice to go sink yourself against a wall yelling jihad, but I'd rather make well thought out moves that benefit my clan and nation.

[Bach]

@ Poe

That huge force wasted on empty French ports that would have been just as empty on any given day? Seriously?

Sounds like Invictus is a bit of a handicap.

@ Brucy

I don't know. I kind of have to go with Poe on this. You would have known from the moment Slamz bought the flag that you only needed minimal forces to hold Aves and you already had the ships there in the port. So any screen by British would be wasted. You could have hit Fred's with the high BR fleet and probably hit one Haitian port with a minimal probing group that could have been the main force screen for Fred's and then went on to its port. When the B team back at Aves was done with the French mock strike they could pushed for yet a second Haiti port. You could have ended the night Brits pushed back and pirates with foothold in Haiti. Probably would have been very demoralizing to your opponents.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Bach

[Vllad]

 

 

Now the pirates want to stop and take this glorious fleet of murder and a bazillion Brazilians, most likely the best fleet to be out and about in any battle to date on the server... South to farm french ports.  I am not kidding you.  I couldn't believe it, I actually thought they were just joking and trolling us.  But they were serious.  OMG offered to reimburse ships, buy the flag, hand jobs for survivors, free ships from Scrump, you name it. We even threatened to join France and put the murder to em... We even had Nyx, our unicorn come into sweet talk them into it, she insulted the crap out of them, she not so good at sweet talk in retrospect actually.  Jack, who doesn't get mad actually got mad...  We actually called for a vote so we could figure out which leaders were going to go scrape the bottom of the barrel and go that way; so when they fix pirate on pirate action we would know where to start culling sheep from our ranks.   Was crazy that they didn't want to finish off the Brits, hell if we had done it then we not only would have gotten a fight at that port battle but sent a message that the Eastern Pirates were a legit force.  At the end of the day OMG and the Aussies and a couple guys from the other groups say screw it and decide to make a attack on Freds by ourselves and get it done or have fun trying. 

 

 

Anyway, this is what we deal with.  They spew a river of chit about coming south in local with only the couple groups that still fight up north saying anything contrary. They think that chasing around (and apparently loosing too) a nation of under shipped French that as a nation is outnumbered by half the guilds they are facing is "PVP".  I have tried being cool and talking to em about it and I have tried being a dick. I am apparently not diplomatic enough to get them to think outside of the box they have built for themselves so at this point I pretty much resigned to leave em in it.  I hope they will get bored and come and start fighting before long, but even if they don't that fight will come find them soon and they won't have a choice about it.

 

Hah, this post is one of my favorites in this entire forum. The bat ish crazy stuff you have to do to keep a nation running!

 

Nyx sounds like someone I want to negotiate with!

 

Sounds like a lost opportunity for the Pirates. Why do they hate the French so much that they think it would require largest BR fleet ever assembled on the server to deal with them? You are correct, most Pirate clans have more players than the total French team.

 

I feel for you brother.

[[MCC] Die Antwoord]

Why would we want a port on Haiti? Reminder, we are not expansionists we have more than what we came for. At the end of the night we accomplished what had to be accomplished, we beat every single member of that alliance to dust, took 2 ports and did not waste gold on a port away from our interests that would have been insta-capped back the next day.

Next day we finisbed clearing the Brit ports down south.. Took Freds undefended (honestly surprised at that one, expected a 25 man force there).. And every pirate came out winning across the board that weekend. We solidified our foothold, cut off Brit entry points, demoralized all our enemies, increased the morale within our ranks, etc.

100% win, I can't imagine a better outcome.

[Slamz]

We have no beef with the Brits in general.

 

This is literally the opposite of what every eastern pirate at both of the pirate/French meetings said. It was all blood and guts for the British and you actually took their ports faster than ours.

 

More likely you are finally starting to see the writing on the wall and now it's "buddy-up time with the Brits"?

 

Just as you did with the French, though, you have arrived at this conclusion way too late, after you have already annoyed everyone. It might have been interesting if you had found a spin that let you deal with the southeastern British early on. "We need British help! Let us join together, take this southeast corner, share the rich resource bounty and use it to attack the Americans. The French are of little consequence and together we could push them out and keep them out while we then turn our important focus to our stronger mutual enemy: the United States." Granted there were only two minor British clans down there but it could have been the start of a greater alliance.

 

I don't know if the Brits would have bought it, I guess. Maybe you did try that and they rejected you, I don't know. Had you accomplished this, PURGE would probably be tangled up fighting British right now, who would be patrolling that south bay for you and frankly doing a better job of it than your sacrificial newbie guilds you sent down there to die.

 

I don't think you guys really understand what these pirate players are like.  Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of these guys, but on the whole they are not as pvp inclined as a lot of you guys apparently believe.

 

Ohhh, we've noticed... This whole business was started by [FC] wanting the southeast and as far as I can tell, they don't even go down there anymore. We really only fight [bSO] and [sIN] now, who get extremely angry about the PvP. We assume the other pirate guilds have gone off to fleet grind somewhere.

 

They "like PvP" in a general sense of they enjoy defeating other players but they don't have the patience for what I think you and I would agree is "real PvP", which involves daily pressure on an area, including taking your lumps, and near constant combat on time scales of greater than a week. I expect what they are really waiting for is a time when they have ground out so much XP and ships that they can simply go back to the U.S. and hit a port battle with nothing but fully crewed 1st - 3rd rates, hopefully swamping them with sheer ship weight.

 

Which is a valid enough strategy, but pretty boring and very contrary to their "yargh, pirates, chaos, we be random" mantra.

 

The fact that they have utterly wrecked the diplomatic angle is probably going to be their real downfall, though. (That and cultivating a group of people who do not really like dedicated PvP.)

[[MCC] Die Antwoord]

You are delusional Slamz stop twisting and spinning my words.

We wanted the Brits out of the area because even though it was just a few small clans those ports were right on our front door and they could have been used to stage a much more massive attack. We did not need your help, we simply reached out to you guys so you could participate in the push. The reason for this was not that we needed help, it was that YOU needed help getting ports since we took all that's neutral north of you. At that time it was a way to eliminate a common enemy and it was a show of good faith on our part, the start of a better relation.

As of right now we have no qualms with the Brits, we only have an issue with SOB which I keep hearing are the black sheep of the Brits, which is understandable judging by the character of M. Roberts I guess. I would say we are at war with SoB, not the Brits in general and do not mistake this with us trying to get friends we are fine on our own, we would not even consider an alliance with them or the US because we feel they are both big enough to stand alone.

[Poe]

Poe you are painting it one way and not getting the whole picture here.

 

 

Pretty sure as I stated, it was from my perspective.  It is unfortunately for you that my perspective, at least on this one, was spot on.  Round 2 was going to happen, we should have taken the force that crushed them before, rolled north and crushed them again while they were even weaker ship wise and recovering moral wise after the first loss.

 

60 to 70 ships doesn't matter when you can only put 25 in a port battle and only 25 Brits.  We could have matched the bottom 25 of what we had for ships out that way and still rolled over them and the towers, they had nothing big left. The French were just being a picket, making a nuisance in cerbs and brigs. Just so you know, when you see a rank 5 guy in a brig on open water, you are almost assuredly just getting your chain yanked and not really threatened.  It was without a doubt the time to hit them and make a statement, instead you guys wanted to become reactive instead of proactive.  We had such a clear advantage that making the argument that we had to defend is just you blowing smoke up your ass as opposed to admiting you were wrong, 2beards told us he had been planing to do just what we wanted to do.  If by some miracle we didn't manage to defend Aves from that gaggle of Frenchmen while taking Fred back so what? We get it the next day, its not like the french could match up what we could muster out there on our worst day, nothing against em, but they just don't have the numbers or the ships.  I swear you guys are so used to just killing towers that you think if they have any defense at all you cant win.

 

So while I know you guys don't think highly of OMG I am going to still be polite and explain something to you. Never fight in your own yard when you can fight in his.  When we raid the American and Brit areas all night its so we can disrupt mission runners (and have fun) and ensure that any of them that might want to go roaming and murder our mission runners have something else to do much closer.  When 25 of them are chasing down six of us we are actually making xp of our time and they are wasting theirs and allowing our new guys some breathing room.  When we were still fighting to hold the Bahamas do you think we kept launching attacks at prime time over and over again on ports we knew couldn't take with just dozen or so of us for just the lolz? Or was it because when you attack you force them to take 25 guys out of the loop to defend.  A pack of 25 that could easily take a port or two in the time you tied them up defending with half as many people and the cost of a flag. This is, as history has shown, strategically, how you hold out against a much larger force.

 

We will see how this works out,  but based on how we did as a nation in the Bahamas I wouldn't bet on it being "well".   I actually think that you guys don't realize, on the big picture, we are loosing and badly.  OMG and some others are just going to keep on fighting, its our gig.  You guys don't seam to get that after loosing the Bahamas you can't fall back anymore.  If we roll the dice on taking back the Bahamas back and maybe getting some of Hati and Florida, we can afford to loose.  If they put us under that way every night so what, we already lost that ground.  But if you roll the dice on defending the Antilies, with the same guys that didn't fight in the Bahamas the first time, only now against both Brits, Americans and 6 pissy Frenchmen while being almost completely out of resources to boot... "Well farewell and adieu to you, dear Spanish ladies"

[Poe]

 Why do they hate the French so much that they think it would require largest BR fleet ever assembled on the server to deal with them? 

 

Your low hanging fruit mate, no offense.  Same reason the Americans and Brits are tag teaming the 20 Spanish guys in the gulf instead of pushing in pirate chit.  Once they done up that way our turn going to come again I think.  Hopefully we get a map reset or a bunch of pirates get really bored before then, but my optimism is low right now.

 

I have this image in my head of being held down by one gorilla and kicked in the sack by another only to have the guys "helping" you run down the street and kick over a guy in his wheelchair and then talk chit...

Edited February 24, 2016 by Poe

[Random]

Ladies and Gentlemen, having fought in a few PvP battles against the French in the South East and having followed the deterioration of Pirate-French relationship for some time now, I would like to address both sides. French captains, as well as representatives of various Pirate clans make a lot of good points in this thread. What none of you do, however, is offer real tangible solutions to the current predicament affecting both parties. France is currently being forced to resort to guerrilla warfare and abandon hope of returning their possessions which would help to attract and sustain new recruits. Pirates are currently a nation (due to the game mechanics) divided among its numerous clans each with their own agenda and plans, none with a capacity to execute them individually. Pirates are also overextending themselves in the South East while losing all of their original holdings (which causes further split between various clans and factions). If the current state of affairs is to continue, US and Brits will eventually divide the map in halves and annihilate Spain and French holdings in the West. Given their prior attempts at cooperation (and lack of Swedish cooperation), Dutch are likely to be sponsored and encouraged by the Brits to advance to the East, while Brits will likely assault Sweden and Pirates from the North West. Neither France, nor Pirates will benefit from such developments. While arguments about testing the efficacy of guerrilla warfare do have merit and France can absolutely refuse all cooperation and resort to such actions, keep in mind all of the communal ties that players that could have joined France will be making instead while playing as US or Brits. The reset will come eventually. Will there be enough new players to then build a strong French nation if all of the players now will be used to flying other flags? Strong France now will attract more players later. Strong Pirate-French relationship now will similarly benefit both nations once pirate mechanics are reworked and map is reset. Long term goals of both groups appear to be mutually beneficial and can be achieved if both groups work together. In order to achieve very specific objectives I humbly propose that blame for miscommunication, rudeness, and other past offenses be laid aside while we all work towards a mutually beneficial future. In order to do that, I humbly propose the following:

 

1. In order to rebuild relationships and French Nation: All ports south of French Capital should be returned to France (with the exception of Saint Joseph and its iron/hemp/oak). Pirates need France as an ally if Bahamas are to be retaken and if US and Brits' advance is to be halted.

    

2. In order to establish a better working relationship between Pirates and France, 1-2 clans should relocate to West Florida and assist France with holding off US/Brits while establishing a second home for France. These forces would also apply pressure on US from the West, while the rest of the Clans retake Bahamas and apply the pressure from the East. While the French might lack numbers to successfully utilize both of their areas, their ownership and occupation of Louisiana is crucial to halting US advances and will provide them with plenty of PVP action. In the case of Dutch invasion of France, Pirates shall designate a clan that will assist in repelling such attacks if help is requested. Clans can have a rotating duty roster of who will be stationed at Camp du Roy for those purposes and use the time to farm bigger ships, XP and gold.

    

3. Spain has to be sponsored and encouraged to join Pirate-French coalition. Their survival is paramount to halting Brits from advancing further East. Furthermore, once a measure of success can be demonstrated in the Bahamas and West Florida, Danes and Sweden can be enticed to open another front and split Haiti between them. After that, there should be an evenly matched 3 v 5 war that will give all the PvP everyone wants to everyone on the map.

    

[Vllad]

 

 

 But if you roll the dice on defending the Antilies, with the same guys that didn't fight in the Bahamas the first time, only now against both Brits, Americans and 6 pissy Frenchmen while being almost completely out of resources to boot... "Well farewell and adieu to you, dear Spanish ladies"

 

 

lol, that is what Slamz said but I guess he just put it in too complicated of terms for them to understand.

 

I have this image in my head of being held down by one gorilla and kicked in the sack by another only to have the guys "helping" you run down the street and kick over a guy in his wheelchair and then talk chit...

 

This made me laugh for a solid minute.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Vllad

[[MCC] Die Antwoord]

Had we attacked Freds we would have got the full force, that fleet that sailed down to Aves would have just turned back and met us there. They would then have reinforcements on the picket line, a full 25 men contingent to protect the city and 20+ guys left to picket outside. No matter how you turn this, it would have been exactly a mirror of what happened at Aves, we would have failed to cap it and lost all our 3rd rates... all the guys that died would have popped all the way to that Free City in the Dane area with no ships to come back with and yeah, it would have been some nice PVP for sure but nothing more.

 

I'm telling you this calmly and with a neutral tone, we don't hold a grudge against OMG, all nations have their blood-thirsty clan that will jump at anything that moves even if it knows it's going to lose and I totally understand that. I respect you guys a lot, I'm not trying to diss you or anything here, just weighting the odds... There was a bunch of guys, probably OMG looking at the number of players on the server saying "Oh there's 50 less than 30 min ago, that's all the Brits that went to bed we can go in there and nobody is going to defend".. I mean come on, that was ridiculous and we both know that.. It wasn't even 10pm, not a single soul in their rank went to bed just as not a single soul on our side went to bed... Friday night action man...

 

Anyways... You keep bringing back the US/Brit combo zerg... There's nothing we can do about that, just as the French can't do anything about what's happening to them. Everyone by default hates pirates in games that has pirates, so no matter what we do, we'll always be a target of everyone and so long as the Brits and US keep kissing instead of trading punches, every single nation smaller than their combo can't do anything about it.

[Bach]

Why would we want a port on Haiti?

When Patton rolled Sicily command told him to go only this far. He didn't meet any resistance that could stop him so he kept right on going and took control of the whole damn place. History remembers him.

The allies also had a general they sent to invade Italy. He was very defensive in nature and spent a lot of time building a defensive beach head. Two recon guys in a jeep drove all the way to ROME reporting no resistance. He ignored it and dug in at the beach while the Germans were able to come in and fortify the road to Rome. Eisenhower fired the guy. History doesn't remember him.

Alway always make the other guy fight for his own land.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Bach

[Bach]

Had we attacked Freds we would have got the full force, that fleet that sailed down to Aves would have just turned back and met us there. They would then have reinforcements on the picket line, a full 25 men contingent to protect the city and 20+ guys left to picket outside. No matter how you turn this, it would have been exactly a mirror of what happened at Aves, we would have failed to cap it and lost all our 3rd rates... all the guys that died would have popped all the way to that Free City in the Dane area with no ships to come back with and yeah, it would have been some nice PVP for sure but nothing more.

I'm telling you this calmly and with a neutral tone, we don't hold a grudge against OMG, all nations have their blood-thirsty clan that will jump at anything that moves even if it knows it's going to lose and I totally understand that. I respect you guys a lot, I'm not trying to diss you or anything here, just weighting the odds... There was a bunch of guys, probably OMG looking at the number of players on the server saying "Oh there's 50 less than 30 min ago, that's all the Brits that went to bed we can go in there and nobody is going to defend".. I mean come on, that was ridiculous and we both know that.. It wasn't even 10pm, not a single soul in their rank went to bed just as not a single soul on our side went to bed... Friday night action man...

Anyways... You keep bringing back the US/Brit combo zerg... There's nothing we can do about that, just as the French can't do anything about what's happening to them. Everyone by default hates pirates in games that has pirates, so no matter what we do, we'll always be a target of everyone and so long as the Brits and US keep kissing instead of trading punches, every single nation smaller than their combo can't do anything about it.

I know what we had that night. Had you left a B team force to defend Aves sitting in the port the worst thing that could have happened to you was running into the British that were already heading to Aves and you would have had the exact same OS battle you ended up having out side Aves anyway. Edited February 24, 2016 by Bach