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A frigate with most of the stores removed would heel a more, primarily. Probably more leeway, too. Speed could go either way, depending on conditions and the particular vessel. Most of all, the master might not know how to trim the ship in that condition, leading to some bad behavior.

Forbidding them to bring repairs to the PB would be a neat trick, since you *could* get these ships to less than 4 meters, but it would mean an empty hold. No idea. Drafts are really hard to find.

Draft of Surprise - 4.45 meters (Foreign service) Draft of Renommee - 4.3 meters (Channel service) I can't find a SQU for Cerberus, but you can rely on the fact that she drew more than 4 meters, unless stowed *very* lightly for Channel service. Even 24-gun ships could draw up to 16 feet in British service, rarely drawing less than 14. Pandora likewise. Remember that Winfield's book gives draft as launched, without stores and guns, etc. In-game models can also be inaccurate or float too high.

Says the guy who always makes passive aggressive whiny posts about other assets instead of reacting to the WiP actually being posted.

Weird that they have the reef points on the bottom.

Because handling topsails + gallants is easier than topsails + courses. Everything is attached to yards, no tacks and sheets to drag around at head height on deck with cannon balls flying around.

Accounts of close actions regularly reference the quarterdecks being swept clean by sharpshooters, and the number of dead officers backs this up. Then there are the tactics of 1600s buccaneers, picking off the crew with muskets exclusively. With a long battle and a lot of barrels, inaccuracy doesn't mean low lethality.

No one needs to be aloft to perform maneuvers. With the possible exception of setting up the breast backstay on the new tack, or shifting the tack of upper staysails, but this can be done at leisure in good weather.

Tacking a 74 gun ship under full sails requires around 40% of the crew. So you can do NA-like maneuvers in action (take a look at diagrams of some famous frigate duels for examples of this), but it will take manpower away from the guns. It would also be very hazardous to set all your sails up to royals, and then not have the men on hand to brace the yards in a timely manner. So it is reasonable for the steady state to require the manpower.

You're exaggerating. Yes, obviously with less canvas set you need fewer men concentrating on sailhandling. They don't need to be 'aloft', but that is the sole inaccuracy in his post. If you need to immediately and simultaneously brace around all thirteen square yards on Constitution (nevermind the gaff mizzen, its topsail, all the staysails and headsails), you will need an awful lot of men queued up on the lines ahead of time. And that is the state of affairs represented by Full Sail in this game, and it's what players expect to do in action. A suitably severe time penalty on sailhandling and bracing might be overkill from a gameplay perspective, however.

No you didn't, unless you want to let me borrow your time machine. Constitution has only sailed outside the confines of Boston harbor once in living memory. She set her topsails in mild weather and made 4-6 kts (perfectly respectable in those conditions). Are you sure you want to claim that an 18th Century warship was sailing faster than the wind? I think you need to accept that you have very little expertise in this topic. I live two hours from Boston and have toured Constitution several times. It's always a great trip, but I could name a few factual errors the Navy guides have made just in my experience, so it's not much of a claim to authority. Your accusations of bias are extremely petulant and shabby and you should be ashamed of yourself. Edit: This is a great read. https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/2017/08/04/eagle-of-the-seas/ In 1997 she made 4.5 kts under topsails alone in 7 kts of breeze. In case anyone cared to doubt her record for ghosting along in light airs and outrunning British pursuers. Some ships would barely be moving, if you refer to windspeed tables compiled by Boudriot. And really, if the ship were really an overweight pig, pinned down by the supposedly prodigious mass of all that live oak, certainly a light breeze would be when you would notice the defect?

Your skepticism is misplaced. 13 kts as the highest recorded speed comes from the Constitution Museum, which is a more authoritative source than any individual book written about her. Also, no one is going to make 13 knots when flying studdingsails, because you only use stuns'ls when the wind is too light reach your best speed anyway. Constitution was a big, powerful ship and would have made her records in a stiff breeze of over 15 kts, just like the line of battle ships that are recorded to have made 12 and 13 kts. Are you skeptical about those reports too? You are using painfully videogame-inflected logic when you cast doubt on the weight of the live oak. These are not airplanes. Weight does not matter. It just makes your draft deeper, and all these large warships are designed to be laden deep and sailed hard. Some extra heft helps you out with it comes to slamming through the seas. The Lively-class frigates sailed worse as their center of gravity became higher. At the end of the day, size is the close companion of speed. Any large, well-found ship with a 3.5:1 length:breadth ratio and a high sail area:displacement ratio ought to be a flyer, even if she has a very deep draft due to weighty construction. In the 19th Century the cargos only got bigger and the drafts deeper, but the speeds doubled. And yet there is a log entry recording a speed of 14 kts over a several hour period. This in the Med, a decade of more after the end of the War of 1812. There is a clear-cut record of a new design with significant teething problems that were resolved in time. The first British razees and the French 24-pounder frigates went through the same process. But Fama is a two-decker super frigate, right?

Please put a trigger warning on posts containing E:TW screens. Those "masts"... it turns my stomach. And Sir Francis Drake wants his paint scheme back.

Ooh, more pics of Diana please

The hull is based on the real Surprise (L'Unite), with the rig and paint scheme from Master and Commander.

Poop deck Quarterdeck Upper deck Middle deck Gun deck (2-4 ports only) So that's more like 120 people.

This actually works the other way around. Shortening sail makes the deck jump around more as the ship rolls. More sail results in a more inclined deck, but this can be compensated for by changing the elevation of the gun. Sailing fast upwind or on a beam reach would theoretically provide the most stable gun platform, heel permitting. Sailing downwind would result in the lowest accuracy, due to rolling. Sitting still with your sails depowered would be as bad or even worse, while heaving to properly would be quite comfortable. In practice the sea state has a big influence too, and that can interfere with the steadiness of the deck when close hauled, as the crests come with greater frequency and the ship is always pitching and scending.

Yes. The ship is turning to the left in-game. It should be turning to the right. The foresail would be almost entirely useless at that angle.

There are two reasons the sails make the ship want to turn: Force vector from the angle of the sail (I think you're referring to this as torque) Greater windforce being exerted on the bow, relative to the stern (or vice verse) We can argue over which effect is stronger in the case of the xebec, and probably you would need to do the math to find the right answer. That explains the discrepancies in points 1-3. But for #4, there is absolutely zero reason the vessel should be turning to the right. The sails are not exerting any kind of force that would lead to this result.

lol Every pirate ship in that show looks like a steaming pile of donkey chodes. If they don't care about the pirate stuff, what research do you think they did on the residential architecture of South Carolina? Edit: Anyways, this topic is at least the fiftieth time the issue has been raised, and it should be locked. It makes no sense to limit ship types by nation, given how similar the designs of most nations usually were, and how many famous warships earned their spurs in the service of nations that did not build them. We also don't have nearly enough ships to outfit every nation with a full lineup.

Charleston in this era would have looked more like Cuba than Boston. Its architecture was often compared to Southern Europe.

So you're saying you have no idea where Boston is. Not that I would be surprised to hear it.

We only have US ports south of Hatteras. Not much brick around there, nor industry.

HMS Drag Queen Epileptic jellyfish canvas.