IronClaw

What does it matter which clan-tag is in front of a name? If another clan is present with bigger ships, why shouldn't they join in the action?

I forsee many PVP battles with ppl going: + Hey! Wai u attack me!? We are allied! - We are? wtf, lemme check forums... - No we're not! Look at this post *link* + Dude, that is an old post, look here *link* - Who the hell is *poster*? + He is on *council* - Oh, he is? Well, I guess we're allied then. Sry for attacking.

Ok, let me get this straight... Denmark/Norge is allied to France France is allied to Sweden Verenigde Provinciën is allied to Denmark Sweden and VP are currently fighting port battles. France is at war with the british Denmark/Norge is at war with the british Sweden is allied with the british This is like playing chess with 5 colors of pieces!

Well, the true reason is that we're after their girls. But that doesn't make for good forum RP, so we stick to this story

ANy labour hour spent, by anyone, on resources is going to slow down the production rates of ships even further... Totally dislike how you have to pay labour hours to get resources from your buildings. I'd prefer having to pay 2x NPC price for a resource from your building and no labour hours.

So... since the vast majority of the server's population is neither in the Danish-norwegian, nor in the swedish faction, you're basically asking if other nations feel if you should be at war or not? Shouldn't you decide that for yourself?

Just offering an option: How about joining the Dutch allies in their fight? The Danish are fighting the brits in the north, and I think they can use help. No need to change nations or servers, just make an outpost there (I know many Dutch already did) and sail with them. Also, continuing the fight against the French would just postpone your "problem". As things were going, it would take a few weeks more before France was reduced to one port and that would have the same result as a peace: no French to fight with. So either way, if you want PVP, you'd have to seek it on a different front sooner or later.

Of course DAS/BOAT doesn't speak for any of the other clans or for individual players. DAS/BOAT can only decide for DAS/BOAT. Other clans can only decide for themselves. If French clans break the treaty with any dutch clans that agreed on the treaty, they will fight. What other clans then decide to do is up to them. The opposite is also true. DAS/BOAT cannot force others to make peace, others can also not force DAS/BOAT to have war. This should be respected from both sides. Each clan is free to make their own choices. I took it.

A solid deal. My only disappointment is that there was no agreement on arranged portbattles. I hope that can still be added in the future. I was looking forward to massive port+OW battles when both sides agreed to meet up at Port X and fight it our for fun. But who knows what can grow in the next two weeks Of course, there will always be clans and individuals that disagree. Such is their right, it's a sandbox game after all. I wouldn't have named this topic "French and Dutch xxxx", but something that showed it was a number of clans from each side instead.

It's quite obvious of course. The Brits line of thought is: So... if the Dutch are no long held back by the French, the French neither by the Dutch nor the Danish and the Swedes are not being held back by the Danes... then who's going to stop them from deciding that there's a few to many Don's in town? Better make this treaty break, before it breaks us! It's an existential fear.

Enlighten me, how did you get out of that situation? I wasn't playing back then.

Perhaps when a Du-Fr-Da-Sw-US alliance reduces the amount of ports the brits hold by roughly 88... that might help increase their understanding of how this peace treaty came to be and why it is a good thing. It's easy to have a big mouth to others while sitting on 89 ports and not having suffered any real combined attacks.

I think Charles is actually trying to get the Dutch, French, Danish and Swedes to unite against the British. Interesting to see if he'll succeed!

I think that without in-game implemented diplomacy, anything other than a "no port battles" agreement is going to be very hard to achieve. I think the deal between France and the Dutch is as solid as it's going to get. They have their territory, we have ours, we agree to fight fair port battles without really conquering any territory. Anything more than that is very hard to uphold, as you can't really force an entire nation not to attack another nations single ships or small fleets. If any small group wishes to rebel, we can't really prevent it. But knowing the French, if a small Dutch group rebels and doesn't get aid from the bigger clans, they will pretty much be roflstomped and that's the end of it.

I like that idea as well. Much more effective than just making stuff more (and exponentially) expensive, as that would only lead to heavier and heavier grinding.